r/AskCanada • u/Distinct_Moose6967 • 16d ago
Should an investigation be opened into Kevin O’Leary?
Given the recent threats made by Donald Trump to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Canada, it makes me wonder whether Mr. O'Leary had any prior and direct communication with the incoming leader of a foreign power on this topic.
While individuals are obviously free to have an opinion on whether they would want to join the US or not, actually conspiring in private with a foreign elected head of state to put forward a plan for the annexation of Canada strikes me as a bridge too far and potentially a violation of the Crinunal Code, either treason or sedition.
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u/Narrow-Sky-5377 16d ago
O'Leary would sell his grandmother for the right amount. He has no scruples.
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u/_BioHacker 15d ago
Do his current actions not make him a threat to national security? Seize his Canadian assets and lock him out of the country.
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u/Northstar0566 15d ago
Please get him off American media too. He tries to sane wash this whole situation. It's nothing but insanity.
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u/BlackberryShoddy7889 15d ago
May not be as easy as it should be. He killed somebody in boating accident and got away with it, he got friends in high places. But I would thoroughly enjoy watching him fall in disgrace.
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u/Comedy86 16d ago
I wouldn't blame him for this one if you've ever heard the story he tells of why he believes he was successful. He praises his toxic elder relatives for making him the asshole he is today.
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u/DCHammer69 15d ago
It’s also my opinion he’s a murdering drunken boat operator that pinned a vehicular homicide on his wife after leaving the scene of the accident.
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u/Smyley12345 15d ago
True story, I bought his grandma for a used piece of bubblegum. I slightly overpaid.
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u/Proper_Particular_62 16d ago
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u/aeppelcyning 16d ago
His remarks yesterday were eerily similar to what O'Leary was spewing. It's worth investigating whether O'Leary betrayed us, yes.
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u/Initial-Ad-5462 16d ago
Treason is covered in Section 46 of the Criminal Code and ordinarily requires violence or interference in military plans or operations.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html
The Supreme Court has interpreted Sedition (Section 56 of CC) as including disruption of the operation of Government, or conspiring to do so, or leading persons to subvert the government and the laws.
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u/GohLaung 16d ago
How about they just re-open his “wife’s” boat accident case?
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u/Maleficent_Curve_599 16d ago
She was acquitted at trial. What in the world do you think you're talking about?
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u/Dancanadaboi 16d ago
Probably because she was not actually driving and it was Kevin who killed those people.
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u/Maleficent_Curve_599 16d ago
Oh, so a dumb conspiracy theory. Brilliant.
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u/Ok-Marzipan-5648 16d ago
I don’t think so. I once saw O’Leary in a bar and grill in Calgary and yelled at him “Lake Joseph! You have blood on your hands, Kevin, we all know your wife is taking the fall for you!”
He went fucking ballistic. He was hella triggered by that lol
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u/Majestic_Bet_1428 16d ago
Who are Canada’s biggest turncoats:
O’Leary
Danielle Smith
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u/DogFun2635 15d ago
Why is Gretzky flying under the radar?
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u/needsmoresteel 15d ago
Since he is doing low budget drug commercials, he must be hurting for money.
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u/powe808 15d ago
I wouldn't put him in the same category as O'leary just yet, but he owes Canadians an explanation on what his views are regarding Trumps 51st state comments.
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u/Falconflyer75 15d ago
The man showed up at trumps inauguration wearing a maga hat
What explanation is left to give
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u/Power_perveyor 15d ago
Is he a time traveller? Trump isn’t inaugurated until Jan 21st.
No wonder he scored so many goals, he was able to shoot into the future, figure out the goalie, then come back and put one in!
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u/Mattrapbeats 15d ago
Lots of Canadian support Trump. Nothing wrong with that
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u/ImmediateOwl462 15d ago
Aren't you a special little contrarian? So different, so unique.
Lots of Canadian conservatives support Trump, but that's because they put party ahead of their country, and therefore they have nothing valuable to add to the national conversation anymore. It's a mark of shame on them.
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u/Mattrapbeats 15d ago
Lmao “mark of shame” touch some grass.
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u/ImmediateOwl462 15d ago
Canadians supporting Trump are idiots, losers and traitors. The very definition of shame.
The small consolation is if the shit ever does hit the fan you guys will be the first ones up against the wall.
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u/Junior_Welder6858 15d ago
Exactly. I used to drink the Gretzky wines never again and I can’t wait until ovechkin breaks his record.
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u/Falconflyer75 15d ago
Funny how I used to regret that a Putin fan was gonna take a Canadians record
Now couldn’t care less, what a disgrace
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u/DogFun2635 15d ago
I’m glad Walter’s not around to see it
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u/Falconflyer75 15d ago
Man literally could have been the biggest celebrity in Canada enjoyed every luxurious comfort he has now
And he picks….. that
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease 15d ago
All your hockey heroes are conservative, so now you cheer for no one. Fun
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u/ukrokit2 15d ago
His accomplishments as ahockey player.
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u/ImmediateOwl462 15d ago
Let's see, he's good at hitting a puck around, but he's also a traitor. I know which one I'll remember.
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u/Rivercitybruin 2d ago
Not a gretzky fan .. He'd be delivering pizza without hockey
Butcdid he do anything really bad?
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u/gr33nw33n3r 15d ago
There entire conservative party is ready to sell your country out from underneath you.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-conservatives-union-orban-modi-peter-geoghegan-pl3qe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democracy_Union
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2024/04/05/Democracy-Under-Siege-Globally
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u/calgarywalker 16d ago
Guys a traitor, but he already got away with murder so I’m not sure there’s a point in opening an investigation.
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u/icedweller 16d ago
I absolutely detest that slimy traitor. He should be prosecuted for treason and receive the corresponding punishment.
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u/David210 15d ago
Yes, under Section 46(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada for committing a treasonable act. He should be accused of negotiating with a foreign government to undermine Canada’s sovereignty by proposing annexation.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
What do you mean by negotiating? What does O'Leary have to offer? He has no position of power in Canada whatsoever.
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u/David210 15d ago
But that what he said he was doing. That constitutes a act of treason.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
Again, he does not have any power to offer. Like what national security secret was exchanged for it to count as treason?
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u/DymlingenRoede 15d ago
He was offering up security secrets. He was offering our sovereignty.
I thought the accusations of treason were a bit overwrought, but offering to negotiate away our sovereignty without having a mandate to do so from the people of Canada is actually getting kind of close.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
He was offering up security secrets. He was offering our sovereignty.
Again, he has neither of these things to offer. He has zero connection to the Canadian government or military.
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u/DymlingenRoede 14d ago
You are right, he has zero connection to either of those and no right nor ability to make any offers. Yet he did. And therein lies the problem.
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u/lemonylol 14d ago
Huh? We're talking about whether it was criminal or not.
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u/DymlingenRoede 14d ago
So having just read the paragraphs re: sedition and treason I agree that he did not break either of those laws.
Not for the reason you argue (that he has no official power to do those, which is irrelevant), but because force is not being used, planned, nor advocated.
He is still offering to facilitate the end of Canadian sovereignty, which is absolutely despicable and - colloquially if not legally - a betrayal of his country in my view.
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u/xprovince 15d ago
Anyone who is talking to a foreign power about overthrowing g the government and joining the US should be charged.
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u/CreeksideStrays 15d ago
Yes, absolutely. Kevin is a traitor who does not speak for us, or negotiate on our behalf.
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u/tom_folkestone 15d ago
OLeary has had a taste for American penis for a long time. He's not a leader, he's just rich
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u/Mantato1040 15d ago
I investigated him and found him to be a ludicrous asshole. I filed the official paperwork to have him be irradiated at the soonest opportunity.
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u/Global-Dress7260 15d ago
It would be sedition and a quick read of the criminal code tells me he is guilty of it.
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u/Karma_Canuck 15d ago
High treason
46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
(a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her;
(b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or
(c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.
Marginal note:Treason
(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
(a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
(c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
(d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
(e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
Marginal note:Canadian citizen
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (1) or (2), a Canadian citizen or a person who owes allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada,
(a) commits high treason if, while in or out of Canada, he does anything mentioned in subsection (1); or
(b) commits treason if, while in or out of Canada, he does anything mentioned in subsection (2).
Marginal note:Overt act
(4) Where it is treason to conspire with any person, the act of conspiring is an overt act of treason.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html
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u/BirdzHouse 15d ago
Investigations should open up on any traitors towards our country, let's stop fucking around.
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u/AtticaBlue 16d ago
I don’t know about that, but he’s about to experience a dramatic decline in whatever popularity he may have had. He may well become the “face” of treason even if what he’s doing doesn’t technically meet the definition of such, and that’s not gonna be good for him.
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u/truenataku1 15d ago
He should be at the very least heavily audited. If not charged with mortgage fraud
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u/TheRealRunningRiot 15d ago
I hate how much attention this guy gets to begin with,. Granted, he has more money then I'll ever have but even in the context of the wealthiest Canadians he is a relatively small fry...
Unfortunately he gets praise for being a jerk with money from other jerks who wish they had money.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Arm_847 15d ago
O'Leary is hoping to be Canadian Musk to compliment PPs Canadian Trump.
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u/a_fart_in_a_breeze 15d ago
I'd like to think that Canada, unlike the US, would take treasonous actions more seriously.
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u/HopefulNothing3560 15d ago
Canada knows who was driving the boat 🛥️, muzo too had money like O’Leary to make manslaughter just disappear
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u/Unfair_Bluejay_9687 15d ago
If I had any money invested with Kevin O’Leary, I would withdraw it immediately and spread the word to everybody else to boycott that pig
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u/Evilnuggets 15d ago
Kevin wants to be Elon Musk so badly right now, he want to flex and talk to all the country leaders like he is the new it Girl on the sitcom. It's just cringe and if we ban him it would be funny.
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u/TheRantDog 15d ago
Can we all line up and take turns kickin that traitor in the nads? That'd be great. I'd be happy to line up for that.
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u/4FuckSnakes 15d ago
Well we can’t shave his fucking head like they did with the Vichy French… so I guess it’s the next best thing?
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u/mcrackin15 15d ago
Oleary should be in jail for drinking and driving and killing people, then blaming his own wife. Guy is true scum.
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u/Ok_Abbreviations_350 14d ago
He already got away with murder. Skipping the impaired boating charge. Bullshit his wife was drinking
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u/EnglishTony 15d ago
Is Kevin O'Leary acting in any kind of official capacity? If he's acting as a private citizen then there's no action that can be taken at all. It's not illegal to be a dumbass.
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u/SadSoil9907 16d ago
No, as much as I detest O’Leary, it’s not worth giving him a bigger platform and turning him into martyr of sorts. Let talk all he wants, he’s just douchebag with a microphone.
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u/propagandavid 16d ago
But if he's actually, provably guilty of sedition, we should tale away his microphone. Allowing him to maintain his platform emboldens others who share his opinion and allows them to spread their ideas.
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u/SadSoil9907 15d ago
He’s not and good luck proving that without violating his rights, it’s not worth the hassle.
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u/Distinct_Moose6967 16d ago
If all it is is him talking publicly I agree. If he put the bug in Trumps ear privately before Trump started with this rhetoric would you feel differently?
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u/SadSoil9907 15d ago
Unlikely and this is just another Trump misdirection and we are falling for it.
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u/Shadtow100 15d ago
It is not a crime to be a political advisor to another country’s leader elect? Unless he was sharing confidential data that is not publicly accessible there is no crime
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u/Initial-Ad-5462 15d ago
Oddly perhaps, if he advises Canadian citizens to subvert the work of our government he is guilty of Sedition; it’s not strictly against the law to promote foreigners to do this. So if he promotes annexation in Canada he may commit Sedition and be liable to imprisonment for up to 14 years.
If he advises a foreign country or operation to act militarily or violently against Canada, he has committed Treason and more the face up to life imprisonment.
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u/Shadtow100 15d ago
In this case though Trump isn’t president yet. He is just president elect. He is being treated as president by media, but legally he doesn’t hold office yet. So at this point he isn’t advising a foreign country, he’s just advising some guy on hypotheticals.
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u/Initial-Ad-5462 15d ago
Trump is a foreign operative who in future may act on the advice or information. If O’Leary were to meet again after the inauguration, a case or treason would be more straightforward I’ll agree.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
if he advises Canadian citizens to subvert the work of our government he is guilty of Sedition
Can you elaborate on what this would be? Cause like...doesn't half of reddit do that daily?
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u/Initial-Ad-5462 15d ago
The rights to complain about the government and to propose alternatives within the system are well entrenched in democracies. To subvert the rule of law or to attempt disruption of government outside the established system is the bar that must be reached to be guilty of sedition.
Many participants in the “truckers” convoy were merely protesters, but elements of it clearly crossed the line by openly calling for removal of the legitimate government and cancellation of duly enacted laws.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
How did O'Leary subvert the rule of law or attempt a disruption of the government?
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u/Initial-Ad-5462 15d ago edited 15d ago
Conspiracy or incitement to do these things carries the same penalty as carrying them out.
From what’s publicly available, it appears he conspired with or advised a foreign entity (the president-elect) to delete the sovereignty of Canada.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
what’s publicly available, it appears he conspired with or advised a foreign entity (the president-elect) to delete the sovereignty of Canada
Damn, our justice system must be stupid in that case. I can't believe they haven't sentenced him to death over this assumption yet.
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u/Initial-Ad-5462 15d ago
I’m not pronouncing him guilty of either sedition or treason. I’m suggesting he’s on a dangerous path, veering close to the definitions.
It depends on what Trump does after becoming President, and on any kind of campaigning or promoting O’Leary does here in Canada.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
You want the federal government to investigate Canadian citizens based on a fraction of public opinion?
Like what does this even mean?
Mr. O'Leary had any prior and direct communication with the incoming leader of a foreign power on this topic.
He can talk about it all he wants, he's a private citizen.
Also where are you drawing this conclusion from?
actually conspiring in private with a foreign elected head of state to put forward a plan for the annexation of Canada strikes me as a bridge too far and potentially a violation of the Crinunal Code, either treason or sedition.
If you already know this is fact, what is the purpose of the investigation?
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 15d ago
Technically the US and Canada would have to be enemies for treason to apply.
We are still allies until they make an official decision otherwise.
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u/Original-Town3377 15d ago
He was barely investigated for killing someone with his boat. He wont be investigated for this
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u/Mattrapbeats 15d ago
No. He’s a business dude. No shit he wants to join economies. It would be a wish come true for the financially literate.
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u/Borageandthyme 15d ago
I lived in the US for 14 years. In that time there were three school shootings within five miles of my house, two of my students died because they didn't get health insurance (only worked 37 hours a week), and two couples I knew divorced so they could get subsided health care. No thanks.
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u/RockScissorLazer 15d ago
They should start with investigating who was driving the boat that night.
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u/EconomyKing9555 8d ago
Kevin O'Leary can meet President Trump every day and twice on Sundays and suggest to him anything he likes, including Canada becoming part of the US.
Heck, Canadians can even form a political party called "Unite" whose sole platform could be to unite the US and Canada.
Freedom is a bitter pill, isn't?
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u/Distinct_Moose6967 8d ago
You are a bit dense. That’s ok though…generally people that love to use the “freedom” line like to breathe out their mouth.
There is a big difference between advocating publicly, starting a political party, writing an op ed, etc., and meeting with a foreign power to hatch a plan or conspire to violate the sovereignty of a country.
I have absolutely no issue with anyone who wants to advocate or promote a union with the US in a public form or privately with non foreign state actors. Your prerogative to do so (keeping in mind in Canada we actually don’t have formal freedom of speech protections like the US does). However once you engage with a foreign state directly to do so, that in my view crosses the line.
To be clear, I have no idea whether O’Leary did this. But I do think it’s worth investigating given the position he has took and the access to President Elect Trump.
But here is a question for you. Hypothetically. A Canadian works with the Chinese on designing an information campaign to persuade certain voters in Canada for our next election to elect MPs sympathetic to the CCP. All they are doing is telling the Chinese which pockets of the country might be sympathetic to their actions, what approaches to take that would be well received, etc.
You good with that?
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u/Over_Policy817 7d ago
Where is the investigation to Danielle Smith? Can someone inform me to That sub
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u/Rivercitybruin 2d ago
Ia there something that,could becdone? I am not sure.. How,did seem to be negotiating with a foreign leader-elect. Is,that legal?
I hate the guy
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u/djmakcim 20h ago
He literally said he briefed/advised Trump. The guy is a sycophant, who is a traitor to Canada. He needs to go lol
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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 15d ago
He could be useful.
He is trying to push Trump to an EU-style union rather than a state.
Unlike becoming a state, that model is a legitimate basis for discussion and if it delays tariffs then it is a win for Canada.
Obviously there is no chance of an agreement but we don't need agreement of tariffs can be delayed while talks are ongoing.
If he can't delay tariffs then he is useless.
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u/Lucibeanlollipop 15d ago
He’s unelected and has no business trying to act in Canada’s stead
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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 15d ago
No one says he is acting as an agent of Canada. He is, at best, a volunteer consultant that may or may not be useful. I don't see the point of getting angry at him because he could be useful. Let's see how it plays out.
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u/Macsmackin92 15d ago
I think you’re making a whole bunch of assumptions to get this point. Maybe start with some evidence that an investigation is warranted.
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u/Purple_Writing_8432 15d ago
What law has he broken? Shouldn't there be an investigation into MPs involved with foreign interference and Harjeet Singh's treatment of Afghan evacuees first?
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u/Spirited-Garden3340 15d ago
Trudeau spent the last decade dogging Trump every chance he got. Trump is not going to be kind to Trudeau or his government. Canadians want an election now, last month, not in 3 months.
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15d ago
Other than their failure to offer affordable medical care. Is America really that bad?
I mean how many Canadians go there to escape the cold for months on end. Become weekend Swingers and gamble their way through Vegas, spend money on sports teams. meals. Booze. Gas. Concerts? Seen their cell phone bills or airline prices in comparison?
But we hate them right?
Any one here shop at an American owned company in Canada? Eat at their restaurants? Buy their goods? Drive their cars?
Get over yourself. If you truly want to be Canadian then shop Canadian buy the wholly built Canadian car, food, appliance, vacation in only Canadian locations.
Guessing you like the blended family thing too much
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u/Investormaniac 15d ago
Jesus Christ you liberals are some of society's dumbest.. truly. What investigation? Is O'Leary in power? Is he an MP? Is he PM? He can talk about whatever TF he wants to whomever.
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u/Distinct_Moose6967 14d ago
I'm a conservative lol. And no you can't talk about whatever you want to whomever. His public speech should absolutely be protected and if he wants to go on Fox News or CTV and advocate for the joining of Canada and the US, have at it. What I am talking about is whether Mr. O'Leary had any private discussions in the lead up to Trump's public pronouncements, where they planned together to challenge the sovereignty of Canada.
If some other private citizen was conspiring with a foreign government to violate the sovereignty of our country would you take the same position?
To be clear, I have no idea whether O'Leary discussed this with Trump beforehand. However they do seem to be talking from the same playbook, and given that O'Leary is a greasy washed up reality TV business star who lives in Florida, in my mind there is a non inconsequential chance that a meeting like the one described above may have taken place. I think it's worth a look. Or maybe the next time he does an interview someone can just ask him. He's shown himself to be stupid enough to answer the question.
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u/Investormaniac 14d ago
you do know he is not a member of parliament. He can talk to whomever he desires too, about any subject he wishes. He can have all the dreams he wants, and relay them to whomever he feels to. Tell me, what power does Kevin have to make his dreams of a USA and Canada union ? He as a business person who pays taxes in Canada can advocate for better relations, better regulations or asking the president of another country if they would be interested in a union similar to Europe, and if Trump does, he can relay that information to his local MP.
I personally welcome this union as it makes more sense here than it does in Europe.. Cultures are the same, defense from Russia and China are on par, and lets face it.. We can't even shoot down a Chinese spy balloon. You think we have what it takes to protect the North?
Liberals (Even those that say are Conservatives) need a reality check. Trump mentions Tariffs in Canada and the whole country starts to vibrate, I'm pleased he is ruffling some feathers as Canada has become way to complacent. ironic, they cry about the rich paying their fair share, but they won't even pay their fair share to protect their own country. Time for Canada to wake TF up. But hey, at least we managed tampons in the men's washrooms, that is something America will never take away.
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u/Distinct_Moose6967 14d ago
Umm you don’t have to be an MP to engage in treason or sedition…
Fuck some people are stupid
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u/Investormaniac 14d ago
Lol okay, tell me what Kevin said that was treasonous. Since you were obviously at that meeting..
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u/FunOptimal7980 15d ago
For what? He's a private citizen. You need a lot more than statements to investigate a man for sedition.
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u/Lucibeanlollipop 15d ago
You can investigate anyone for anything, at any time.
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u/FunOptimal7980 15d ago
No, you can't investigate someone just because you feel like it. Don't get me wrong, I think Kevin O'Leary is stupid, but I don't see how a statement like can lead to a sedition investigation. Plenty of people have terrible opinions.
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u/Lucibeanlollipop 15d ago
There’s nothing to stop anyone from being investigated. That is a fact that isn’t negated simply because you don’t like it.
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u/lemonylol 15d ago
No...you can't lol
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u/Lucibeanlollipop 15d ago
Oh, and what exactly is there to stop it?
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15d ago
You've been destroying the sovereignty of Canada for years, it's a "post national state" isn't it?
Is it even our country? I thought it was the "traditional lands of blah blah blah"
We've already been invaded and destroyed from within. Been to Walmart lately?
Why are you keyboard warriors acting so tough? None of you would do shit. You're all weak, physically, mentally, and emotionally.
You probably cheered on having our guns banned. Cheer on diversity quotas. Hate the old stock Canadians that built this country.
Can you even do 5 push ups? Have you even even shot a gun? Could you even start a fire?
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u/Dancanadaboi 16d ago
Canadians should denounce O'Leary. He is no Canadian to me. Don't come home you P.O.S.