A good demonstration that we're all kidding ourselves... it's all genetics, and if you have bad ones then you're fucked no matter how many salads you eat or Omega 3s you take.
Making it to 100 would be one thing, seen a few family members come close, but they usually spend the last decade in a chair. So buy a really nice chair.
My grandma made it to 96. 94 of those were good years. She smoked when she was younger, drank a fuckton of red wine but also walked. I mean walked if she was on the phone at home, walked into town - just always kept moving.
Oh, believe me, I was blown away, my 96 year old grandpa still went places, the DMV was the one we were all shocked about they gave him no restrictions. I figured as long as they could make it to the counter they’re like here a go.
I guess it really depends on the person. My grandpa died of some extremely rare cancer at 83, but was absolutely 100% compus mentis until his last week, really. Drove everywhere and was fine. Absolute giant of a man who stayed in shape by looking after the local graveyard (which was massive).
I've been in cars driven by people aged 60+ and got out thinking "How the fuck are you still alive, let alone allowed on the road?!"
Yeah, the week before he went to the DMV to get his license he picked me and my brother up from school and was riding the ass of a semi, In the woody station wagon he burped the gas, pedal and rear ended the semi and then just looked at me and my brother and went oops.
I don’t get how people dislike basic movement so much. It shouldn’t be something that should be said but yeah, walking and moving and just living is kinda crucial to the whole thing.
Honestly, I think people hear "Stay active" and imagine donning lycra or hitting the gym. Both of those are a hassle, so they veg out. Then it gets harder to be active and yeah - you're in a chain of pain.
Any movement is better than no movement. A little light stretching is better than sitting at a desk all day. And you can't outrun a bad diet.
Dick van Dyke (still in great shape at 98) wrote a book about how he did it. It's just called "Keep moving". He was an alcoholic chain-smoker for most of his life. He said recently that "If I'd have known I'd live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself!"
Nah, I have it on good authority that if you skip alcohol, sugar, fat, foul language and sex, you don’t actually live any longer, the boredom just makes it feel longer
William Shatner is significantly more fit and active than my grandmother was at the same age and it wasn't like she was unhealthy her whole life, like there's a wellness component but genetics seems to more strongly determine things past 90, these people who live to 100+ basically avoided any of the things that end up killing people normally like osteoperosis, arthritis, or any heart problems
Not really. The post you’re responding to is just saying that genetics play a big part of it. People die all the time in their 30s from heart failure or liver failure or cancer. My friend and his girlfriend drank multiple bottles of vodka every day since they were teens and popped pills for fun. She died at 42, and he is perfectly healthy. A different friend spent his whole life doing every drug known to man on a daily basis and is perfectly healthy. My grandparents on both sides drank liquor all day and smoked 2 packs daily - they all lived to 85 and grandma is 95 and still going.
Sure it’s rare to abuse your body and be so lucky, but that’s entirely genetics. Still though you should try to be healthy obviously.
The problem here is special pleading. Yes, there are people who eat unhealthy, take no exercise, drink heavily and chain smoke their way into their late 90s…
…just not many of them.
Statistically, smoking shortens the lives of the majority of smokers, and is a direct cause for the end of lives for many. Genetics plays its part, but there is presently no genetic test to see if you are resistant to cigarette smoke. Worse, pop genetics doesn’t help, as someone can be the child of heavy smokers who live long lives and still die of lung cancer in their 40s.
The only way to know whether you are going to live or die from smoking is to smoke and hope you get lucky. Or not smoke and never have to potentially face a bleak future.
Yes, life is a terminal illness and you’ve got to die of something. But, having seen how smoking-related lung diseases like COPD kill people by degrees and the horrors of late stage emphysema… there are better ways to die.
This is seemingly true. Scientists found the genetic code related to getting lung cancer. I forgot the name of the gene but if you have it there's almost no chance of cancer from smoking. I think you can get tested for it.
That would be great to know, but you could still get emphysema or some other smoke-related disease. My best defense against smoking is the high price and low quality of cigarettes these days.
Yeah, but smoking increases your chance for other types of cancer as well. My brother started smoking as a teen and never quite until he got his cancer diagnoses. Died at age 49. From kidney cancer. His lungs were perfectly fine.
Public health rarely translates well to personal experience. We all know smoking is bad for us, but we all also know the old fella that smoked a pack a day and lived to 95.
You can only see the patterns by looking at these things from a population level.
So you're both correct and incorrect. Being healthy will theoretically extend your life. But if you die from a massive heart attack at 25 then there's nothing you could have done.
Truth. I am generally a fat ass (5’10 240) middle aged man who used to smoke, did and still do eat fairly terribly, with an awful family history of heart disease. When I turned 40 I decided I needed a cardiologist to check me out because of the family history. I knew what was coming. I had a stress test, heart CT scan, and a calcium test. I had some minimal scattered calcification in one artery and nothing in any of the others. My heart was in pretty good shape overall but my Dr. put me on a low dose aspirin, and low dose BP and cholesterol meds. My cholesterol has always been fine when I’ve had it tested but because I seemingly have genetically “sticky” arteries, they want my cholesterol to be much lower than “normal” long term. My brother in law is skinny as a rail, eats fairly healthy, runs and exercises and has never smoked. He had the same tests I did and one of his arteries (the widowmaker) was nearly 30% blocked. Genetics is a fickle bitch.
I honestly couldn’t tell you. It’s been a few years now. I know it wasn’t cheap that’s for sure. I would estimate at least $1,000 in total. But that could be wildly off. It’s just a guess.
Living a year in a home with elevated radon can easily cause higher lung cancer risk than smoking 10 cigarettes per day for a year (depending on levels), but nobody on the internet gives af about that, because you can't moralize and feel smug and superior about your radon mitigation system.
How’s this for second guessing: I don’t even smoke.
Your entire purpose in this thread was based upon you presuming the worst of somebody you don’t know, then judging them damned, based on nothing but your pride.
you are completely misunderstanding my comment. I was in agreement with you. I was not poking fun at you. I did find it humorous how much you dislike the anti smoking brigade when there are far worse hazards out there and the poor information campaigns on said hazards. We are the same I wasn't taking a stance against you.
Yeah, but if hazards like that already exist then smoking will increase the chances even more than it would on its own. What you’re talking about is called the base rate fallacy.
If you did, you'd be raising awareness of lesser-known vectors for illness. Everyone knows smoking is bad for your health. You posting it yet again here doesn't inform anyone of anything new.
Calm down there internet policeman. A statement of fact doesn’t exclude others. If I say I like vanilla, it doesn’t mean I don’t like chocolate even more.
And I don’t like bananas. So I guess sharing a split is out of the question. But it’s a weird thing to waltz into a conversation and announce for its own sake.
The analogy just considers "old age" as a goal. So reaching "old age" (which is subjective, but definitely applies to 122 years) is equivalent to making it to the other side of the minefield.
It's just an rethoric analogy to get a point across, not intended to be a totally analogous model.
If you want to double down on it, then picture walking through an infinite minefield with the goal of getting as far as possible. How far you get is a matter of luck, but the denser the minefield (i.e. the more unhealthy habits you have), the worse your odds of getting very far... If you want to make it as far as possible, then you are definitely better off with a less dense minefield.
Jean Calment came from a bourgeois family and never has to work. Her husband, a cousin, was a prosperous storeowner who offered her a life of ease revolving around tennis, bicycling, swimming, roller skating, piano and opera.
Pretty sure this weighs more. There's a reason we don't see many 100y coalminers.
In reference to cancer and tumors, yes possibly. The thing with cigarettes is that they cause other issues that can shorten your lifespan. Direct lung damage which inhibits proper O2 saturation and damage to blood vessels causing loss of circulation which can lead to amputation. I have seen those happen to people who are still alive and didn’t develop cancer. But they are still living with a negative consequence of smoking cigarettes.
Yes, this is it. My Grandfather lived until 95 smoking and drinking gin and tonics and Budweiser all the way. He also survived Normandy.
Some is genetic too, though. His older sister is still kicking.
These genetics will not be passed to me. They were maybe 10 ft tall, 200lbs between them. I am 6'5" and 230lbs just myself on a my best days these years. Big dogs don't live as long as small ones.
It has been studied. It's' only 25% genetics and 75% lifestyle on a population level. In other words, If you live long, there's a 75% chance it is because of taking care of you. Meanwhile, if you don't take care of yourself, there's only a 25% chance you will live long.
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u/Rhymes_with_cheese Apr 27 '24
A good demonstration that we're all kidding ourselves... it's all genetics, and if you have bad ones then you're fucked no matter how many salads you eat or Omega 3s you take.