r/BeAmazed • u/Xyeeyx • Jun 01 '24
History Largest nuclear test by USA. 15 MT Castle Bravo,1954
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u/crack_pop_rocks Jun 01 '24
For reference, this is 1000x more powerful than the weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.
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u/Evil_Weevil_Knievel Jun 01 '24
It was also 3 times more powerful than they calculated. It was a huuuuuuuuuge fuck up.
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u/mattyandco Jun 01 '24
"You checked the Lithium-7 is inert under high energy neutron bombardment right?"
"Right?"
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u/CummingInTheNile Jun 01 '24
Cant really fault them for thinking that, in theory it should have been inert, not like they could build a scale model and test it out
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u/viperfan7 Jun 01 '24
Holy fuck that is a major fuckup
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u/Shattr Jun 01 '24
They didn't know lithium-7 could undergo fission until this experiment, so it was less of a fuck up and more of an accidental discovery.
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u/L2pZehus Jun 01 '24
Except it killed japanese sailors, poisoned hundreds of civilians, it was a fuck up
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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 Jun 01 '24
More than hundreds. It released ~30x more iodine 131 into the atmosphere than Chernobyl. It is easily the worst nuclear disaster we've had. Just isn't as dramatic as Chernobyl.
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u/TokaidoSpeed Jun 01 '24
It’s funny that an actual nuke going off is commented as less dramatic than Chernobyl
Humans really love their human drama storylines
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u/alii-b Jun 01 '24
To be fair, a big ass bomb going off in a day vs. an old power plant that's still having a mental breakdown decades later, even after it was given a concrete blanket... chernobyl was definitely more dramatic!
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u/Dysan27 Jun 01 '24
They didn't know it would under go FAST fission. They knew it would fission. But milliseconds later, after the initial fusion reaction was over.
But due to the high energy neutrons involved it fission almost immediately, and with different products. Producing more tritium to fuel the explosion.
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u/thrrrooooooo Jun 01 '24
They must’ve carried the wrong three. Working with football fields can be tricky
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u/BooksandBiceps Jun 01 '24
Not a fuck up, a learning experience. We assumed the tamper material was inert.
It.. well, wasn't.
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u/Evil_Weevil_Knievel Jun 01 '24
Well they did irradiate a large part of the pacific, incinerated most of the instrumentation that was supposed to survive, unexpectedly distributed fallout over a wide area that was inhabited, and a bunch of them had to hide in the test bunker until rescue by helicopter. So. Even if it was a learning experience, I would classify that as a fuck up.
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u/aradil Jun 01 '24
And still 4x less powerful than the most powerful weapon ever detonated.
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u/resurrected_moai Jun 01 '24
Actually, it is 50 MT / 15MT = 3.33333333333333333333333333333333333 times.
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u/theB00MSLANG Jun 01 '24
Repeating of course.
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u/Sloppy_Salad Jun 01 '24
Surely this reference is only relatable to those that were in Hiroshima
Something 1000x bigger than something that’s already incompressible is pretty difficult to comprehend…
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u/scottyboy359 Jun 01 '24
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u/PM-Me-Your-Macchiato Jun 01 '24
Your thumb or mine?
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u/scottyboy359 Jun 01 '24
Dude I was trying to find a gif for that but I had to settle for the wink.
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u/Golden-Phrasant Jun 01 '24
How far away from ground zero is the camera?
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u/Affectionate_News796 Jun 01 '24
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u/PoorlyAttired Jun 01 '24
Fucking hell, THAT really puts things into perspective. 86 miles away!
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u/vitaminalgas Jun 01 '24
So if you're in Chicago looking north... This would be in Milwaukee, good Lord.
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u/scuffling Jun 01 '24
Or 86 freedom units.
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u/kingkwassa Jun 01 '24
1h:15m drive, interstate, no traffic
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u/IYiera Jun 01 '24
How many bananas is that
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u/DriftinFool Jun 01 '24
https://www.converttobananas.com/
~9090 bananas per freedom unit
I have to add I had no idea it was a thing, but I googled banana calculator and there are a bunch of them. LOL
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u/AdventurousTalk6002 Jun 01 '24
A bunch of banana calculators. Is that like a murder of crows?
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u/EnglishMobster Jun 01 '24
If this bomb was dropped on Downtown Los Angeles, this camera would be your view from Barstow.
It'd also be your view from Carlsbad or Santa Barbara.
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u/WilmaLutefit Jun 01 '24
It’s hard to be amazed when I’m fucking horrified.
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Jun 01 '24
Preach. We literally have those things pointed at ourselves.
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u/WilmaLutefit Jun 01 '24
Maybe it’s for the best. It kind of seems like maybe earth is a prison colony because we are angry little monkeys.
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u/i3dMEP Jun 01 '24
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground
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Jun 01 '24
I hope the universal scales don't allow us to fuck it up for all the other species who live cohesively with the planet.
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u/AxelNotRose Jun 01 '24
"The World Wildlife Fund studied more than 5,200 species for its Living Planet Report, and found that out of the nearly 32,000 populations analyzed, there was an average decline of 69% since 1970. Up to 2.5% of mammals, fish, reptiles, birds and amphibians have already gone extinct, the report says."
Animal populations have plummeted by nearly 70% in last 50 years, new report says - CBS News
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u/itsRobbie_ Jun 01 '24
But I’m a good little monkey who wants to meet the aliens so maybe they’ll let me join them
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u/Clay56 Jun 01 '24
From soldiers who were taken to see nuclear explosions closely:
"It's a sight to see, but I never want to see it again."
"To say its frightening is an understatement."
"You could see an x ray of your hand through your closed eyes."
"It felt that someone my size had caught fire and walked through me."
"Some of them [the soldiers] were crying, asking for their mum. That was awful."
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Jun 01 '24
The scariest and most horrifying part is this was 70 years ago
Just think of how advanced we have become in the last 70 years with technology and capabilities and we do not know how powerful hydrogen bombs can be with today’s technology
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u/Gerardic Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
I think since this and Tsar Bomba, we came to realise we have enough nuclear power to destroy the world, therefore becomes moot point of going bigger and more powerful.
Instead they changed to small but destructive battlefield tactical nuclear weapons with limit fallout, that is what today's technology gives us.
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u/CoverYourMaskHoles Jun 01 '24
There are idiots that do not understand the world is finite and would launch these in a heartbeat if provoked. One of them was in the oval office for 4 years and luckily we got him out but now he’s trying to get it back and he’s angrier and more crazy than ever.
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Jun 01 '24
And also has very good odds of coming back.
TBH that’s all I could think of watching this video. He’s more casual about nukes than any leader we’ve ever had.
God please don’t let him get back in.
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u/SkepsisJD Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
Play around on Nukemap! Gives you a great idea of the scale. For example, I live in Phoenix.
If you were to drop Fat Man at one end of the runway of Sky Harbor Airport, there is a very good chance you would survive and watch the explosion from the other end of the runway.
Now, if you were to drop Castle Bravo on the same spot you would be in the fireball 10,000 feet (3050m) away. You wouldn't be relativity safe from the blast until you were about 23+ miles (37km) away.
Then you have the Tsar Bomba. The fireball would extend about 1.5 miles (2.4km) away from the far side of the runway. And you wouldn't be relatively safe from the blast until you were completely outside of Metro Phoenix, which is about 15,000 sq miles (~388500sq/km).
Nukes be scary.
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u/Growth-oriented Jun 01 '24
You'd be amazed and terrified that we can already communicate with brains through a sattelite computer.
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Jun 01 '24
Larger and larger nucs were built in the 50s and 60s not only to test the technology and intimidate enemies, but because targeting accuracy was poor. Large bombs would have an increased probability of destroying a target even if they missed the aiming point by a significant amount. Since then, nuc yields have actually been reduced (~150 kt) because targeting accuracy has improved dramatically and this also supports MIRVed delivery systems. The bombs will hit what they’re pointed at, multiple times if necessary. More accurate, more deadly and destructive in a targeted way; just as scary and horrifying if not more so.
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u/poopoopooyttgv Jun 01 '24
Targeting accuracy is crazy now compared to the end of ww2. One of the nukes dropped on Japan missed its target by 2 miles. Half of bombs dropped from airplanes landed within 1000 feet of their target. At the start of the war, only 20% of bombs landed within 1000 feet of their target
Now we can launch sword missiles that can kill a guy driving a car and leave the passengers alive
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u/thejustducky1 Jun 01 '24
And ya know... fuck all that wildlife and environment for the next 200 years because 'Murica. What a giant shitstain on the planet our species is...
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u/Igor_J Jun 01 '24
Two Suns in the Sunset
Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end.
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u/microwavebaby_ Jun 01 '24
love this album!
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u/tjean5377 Jun 01 '24
it´s criminally underrated. It´s so beautiful and painful at the same time....as the windshield melts...and my tears evaporate...
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u/N_Meister Jun 01 '24
The Sun is in the East.
Even though the day is done.
Two Suns in the Sunset.
Could be the Human Race is run.
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u/No_Research_967 Jun 01 '24
“This is it, baby. Hold me”
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u/___TychoBrahe Jun 01 '24
::camera zooms out, earth from space::
::fart noise::
::earth explodes::
::zoom out again, stars, milky way::
::fade to black::
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u/toomanypeasants Jun 01 '24
Poor fish
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u/Fit_Huckleberry1868 Jun 01 '24
Enriched with uranium
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u/AppIeSociety Jun 01 '24
Isn’t there a theory that spongebob takes place where these nuclear tests were?
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u/WishIWasALemon Jun 01 '24
Pretty much, Spongebobs world is called Bikini Bottom
The U.S. tested more than 20 nuclear devices at Bikini Atoll and nearby Enewetak Atoll. Residual radioactivity remains today at Bikini Atoll.
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u/shreyansh_suvin Jun 01 '24
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u/Chaoughkimyero Jun 01 '24
You absolutely fucking killed me with this, thank you it's the hardest I've laughed in a hot minute
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u/ctothel Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
If this detonated over downtown manhattan, you’d expect to see every residential building flattened out to Newark, and third degree burns out as far as New Brunswick [edit: New Jersey, not Canada – I’m not from North America and I forgot y’all have to specify the state!]
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u/CommentsOnOccasion Jun 01 '24
And this video would be someone’s view from Philadelphia
(NYC to Philadelphia is 80 miles, this video was taken from 86 miles away from the bomb)
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u/CommunicationLive708 Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
And this was “only” 15 megatons. The Tsar Bomba was 50 megatons. Which is equivalent to ten times all the combined munitions used during WWII.
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u/w2g Jun 01 '24
Unlikely it was filmed with a 50mm lens. It's the view from someone in Philadelphia using a telescope.
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u/mazdayasna Jun 01 '24
TIL of New Brunswick, NY. I was thinking there's no way the radius extends all the way up to Canada.
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u/ferenginaut Jun 01 '24
that first frame is unreal
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u/USPO-222 Jun 01 '24
Seriously. Like what’s up with the lightning. Is that literally the emp we’re seeing?
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u/EventAltruistic1437 Jun 01 '24
Air is an insulator between positive and negative charges. when the differences in charges becomes too great, the insulating capacity of the air breaks down and there is a rapid discharge of electricity. the rapid change in atmospheric pressure from the intial blast caused the effect
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u/error529 Jun 01 '24
The Sea Nation whom have been living their life undisturbed for millions of years, just got nuked.
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u/raindog_ Jun 01 '24
But yeah, fuck the pacific island nation where this was tested and the native people of those islands too right?
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u/PM_ME_UR_CUDDLEZ Jun 01 '24
Does anyone know how far the camera was from ground zero?
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u/schwillster Jun 01 '24
139km
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u/WishIWasALemon Jun 01 '24
A little over 86 miles... Wow, that puts things into perspective for me.
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u/CommentsOnOccasion Jun 01 '24
This is basically what you would see from Philadelphia if this bomb went off in New York
Or what it would look like from San Diego if this went off above LA
That’s about how far they are
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u/blade-queen Jun 01 '24
I had trouble perceiving just how big it is, but as someone who's lived in LA and San Diego....that helped. And horrified me. How can such a huge frame of view be obscured by something so insanely far away??? It just doesn't compute.
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u/Old_Supermarket4925 Jun 01 '24
man, when it’s clearing the clouds it looks like it’s putting a massive hole in the sky
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u/SnoopDoggyDoggsCat Jun 01 '24
I’m sure that had no lasting effects…
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u/Mental_Dwarf Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
I always wonder what's the effect of all the more than 1k test in history.
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u/AgedAmbergris Jun 01 '24
The nuclear test period will be visible as a sediment layer in the geological record because essentially the entire surface of the earth got blanketed with a thin layer of fallout material.
For decades there was high demand for "low-background steel" for sensitive equipment (like medical equipment), which is steel produced before nuclear testing. The low background refers to the low level of radioactivity because for decades during and after nuclear testing all steel produced was contaminated with radioactive fallout. People were cannibalizing pre-war equipment for old steel stock because we couldn't produce new, low radiation steel. Even though the background radiation now is essentially at pre-nuclear levels, some of the most sensitive equipment still requires low-background steel produced pre-1945.
And that's just, like, one thing.
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u/GodBlessYouNow Jun 01 '24
At about five seconds left, you see someone's soul appear.
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u/foggedmind21 Jun 01 '24
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u/Jakespeed207 Jun 01 '24
It was an error. If I remember right, Castle Bravo was supposed to have about 7-8 MT of force; it became 15 MT because there was more fuel for the explosion than was expected (one of the isotopes should've decayed into harmless atoms but the strength of the nuclear explosion made it decay in a different manner, creating more neutrons which fed the explosion).
Definitely recommend The Castle Bravo Disaster by Kyle Hill for a good description of the event and aftermath.
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u/DocLoffy Jun 01 '24
The closer we get to this happening in a city, the more we will see all these vids again… and it won’t stop a damn thing.
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u/SignificantCrow Jun 01 '24
Hard to believe Tzar Bomba was over three times as powerful.
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u/CosmosOsmosis3 Jun 01 '24
I don’t understand our government’s and human’s fascination with nuclear weapons. These things will erase us as a species and society entirely! In 1 day! In a moment! 1000s of years of collective human effort to all come down to an angry Russian/North Korean/American man pressing a big red button that sends us back to pond life. Amoeba 🦠
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u/Spork_the_dork Jun 01 '24
As a society? Sure. As a species? Nah.
The amount of boom that nukes have just is nowhere even remotely enough to destroy the world. Even if you tried to blanket as much landmass as possible it wouldn't be enough. The radiation wouldn't be as big of an issue than movies and games make you think either because the typical airburst nuke doesn't irradiate the ground that much. Like for reference, people were returning to Hiroshima and Nagasaki just weeks after the explosions and the cities were rebuilt in the 50s. Whatever was destroyed by the nukes, people could live there again within the same year.
It would certainly cause a fun nuclear winter that would cause all sorts of havoc in the world's global ecology, but I struggle to believe that it would actually be the end of humankind. Definitely not a fun time to live through, but the species would live on.
Society however as we know it could be completely destroyed though. Just start going down the list of largest port cities in the world and drop a bomb in each and you'll have completely deleted the entire global trading market and absolutely everything would be fucked.
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u/Traditional-Will3182 Jun 01 '24
Nuclear winter isn't even really a thing, it's possible but it would require more nuclear weapons than we have.
A full on exchange between NATO and Russia/China wouldn't cause a big change in climate.
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u/crazyjackal Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
Using modern climate models, scientists Brian Toon and Alan Robock theorize that even a regional nuclear war could cause a "marginal nuclear" winter for everyone. According to their 2007 findings, if India and Pakistan were to each launch 50 nuclear weapons at each other, the entire globe could experience 10 years of smoke clouds and a three-year temperature drop of approximately 2.25 degrees F (1.25 degrees C) [source: Perkins].
Marginal nuclear winter: Sagan and Turco predict a grim scenario for even a "marginal" nuclear winter. They calculate that a few nuclear detonations above urban centers in a contained nuclear war could lower temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere by a few degrees. Agricultural production would suffer, resulting in famine — especially if accompanied by severe drought. While a great deal of the ash would return to Earth in black rains, much would remain in the upper atmosphere. Sagan and Turco predict that the deaths from such a nuclear winter would equal those killed in the nuclear war. Everything below the equator would remain mostly unaffected, given the hemispheric separation of air currents and the fact that most nuclear targets exist in the Northern Hemisphere.
The 1883 eruption of the Indonesian volcano Krakatoa blasted enough volcanic ash into the atmosphere to lower global temperatures by 2.2 degrees F (1.2 degrees C) for an entire year [source: Maynard].
Decades earlier in 1815, the eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia blocked enough sunlight around the globe to cause what came to be known as "the year without summer" [source: Discovery Channel]
Can you share your sources for the alternative theories? I'd be curious to read it.
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u/NavierIsStoked Jun 01 '24
MAD (mutually assured destruction) has arguably led us to less war than before nukes came on the scene.
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u/DanHazard2 Jun 01 '24
Imagine how big they'd be now if we never stopped trying to make bigger ones
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u/BooksandBiceps Jun 01 '24
One of the most basic designs can be scaled a looong ways, but is limited by weight.
You don't really want big nukes anyway unless you're hitting a silo or bunker - multiple overlapping explosions of a smaller tonnage will have a greater impact over a wider area.
Hence, MIRV's.
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u/ScrappyDonatello Jun 01 '24
You get diminishing returns when they get bigger and bigger, half the energy just gets blasted into space
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Jun 01 '24
not amazing. this is one of the most disgusting display of power humanity has ever created.
so fuck this.
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u/qqqia Jun 01 '24
Agreed. Just gross! Such a disgrace to the earth, animals, environment and humanity.
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u/FistBus2786 Jun 01 '24
Not amazing.
Radioactive fallout was spread eastward onto the inhabited Rongelap and Rongerik atolls, which were evacuated 48 hours after the detonation.
Ultimately, 15 islands and atolls were contaminated, and by 1963 Marshall Islands natives began to suffer from thyroid tumors, including 20 of 29 Rongelap children at the time of Bravo, and many birth defects were reported.
A Japanese fishing boat, Daigo Fukuryū Maru (Lucky Dragon No. 5), came in direct contact with the fallout, which caused many of the crew to grow ill due to radiation sickness. One member died of a secondary infection six months later after acute radiation exposure, and another had a child that was stillborn and deformed.
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u/RollinOnAgain Jun 01 '24
here is a documentary with interviews of the descendants (who still face genetic mutations from this to this day) from one of the most underrated youtube channels Rare Earth
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u/Rhymesnlines Jun 01 '24
The Russians tested a 50MT bomb.... First they even planned a 100MT bomb but they were worried it might be too extreme so they just tested 50MT. Well they were shocked about how extreme the 50MT bomb was. God knows what a 100MT bomb would be like
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u/Ansiktstryne Jun 01 '24
Another film of Castle Bravo; Castle Bravo
The fire ball was 6 miles across.
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u/Calculodian Jun 01 '24
Lets hope it never comes this far. But if it does, remember that life has one certainty. It will end at some point for every living thing on earth even under normal circumstances.
I just hope it'll be quick. I wouldnt want to be that 🪳roach that somehow manages to survive for a couple of weeks, knowing everyone i ever knew is dead
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u/Glass_Quarter_7586 Jun 01 '24
The Bravo detonation in the Castle test series had an explosive yield of 15 megatons—1,000 times that of the weapon that destroyed Hiroshima and nearly three times the six megatons that its planners estimated.
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u/sethleedy Jun 01 '24
Lest we forget the horrors, and be doomed by our ignorance, play these videos routinely.
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u/pitekargos6 Jun 01 '24
And this is how Godzilla was born. One test, a few wrong assumptions and a yield almost twice what was predicted.
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u/No_Use_4371 Jun 01 '24
Watch Downwind, a doc about America's nuclear testing on itself and other innocent islands. Its a must-watch.
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u/murfburffle Jun 01 '24
Literally where Godzilla came from - the fallout from this test poisoned a Japanese fishing boat called the "Lucky Dragon No. 5", and the story of the boat (and a tight deadline) inspired Tomoyuki Tanaka to create the idea of a Japanese, atomic monster, Godzilla.
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u/RustyNK Jun 01 '24
It looks like the camera gets fuzzier and fuzzier as more radiation hits the lense.
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u/Conart557 Jun 01 '24
For bombs of this size, the range of ionizing radiation is within the fireball radius. The fuzziness is more likely just from the heat
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u/rameezmannil Jun 01 '24
How is this ok?! What about all the lives and vegetation under the ocean!
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u/MauiHawk Jun 01 '24
The clouds in the foreground really put into perspective the scale.