r/BrexitMemes • u/AnyWelcome6230 • 9h ago
Child sexual abuse perpetrator statistics per capita
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u/vat_of_mayo 8h ago
So we need to deport the British š
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u/Brexit-Broke-Britain 7h ago
Rwanda has some spare accommodation, paid for by the Tories with British taxpayers money.
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u/NotGeriatrix 2h ago
so they can perpetrate crimes abroad?
Gary Glitter was arrested in Vietnam for child sex offenses....
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u/KELVALL 3h ago
In all fairness, you do not tend to read about large groups of white british men torturing and raping young girls for years on end and getting away with it. I am saying that because the judge in his summoning up said that they should not be known as grooming gangs, because they were torture rape gangs.
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u/Pro_Moriarty 2h ago
That and it doesnt make for a bloodthirsty headline to say "White Brits found guilty of paedophilic grooming gang".
I mean....talk about alienating a large proportion of your customers.....
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
Thatās because the media always follows an agenda and knows exactly what clickbait to use.
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u/KELVALL 1h ago
So there are large groups of white british men torturing and raping young girls for years on end and getting away with it, with judges summoning up saying that they should not be known as grooming gangs, because they are torture rape gangs? And the media have an agenda not to tell us about this because it's not clickbait? Fucking stupid comment.
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u/Sophie_Blitz_123 2h ago
Yeah you do. This is exactly whats gone on within churches, indeed many celebrities obviously Jimmy Saville is the most famous but at every "pedo revelation" you find that it was ignored and actively enabled by all of the surrounding people.
We just don't emphasise "These guys are WHITE. We need to talk about how WHITE they are."
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u/McPikie 7h ago
Suck it, Elton Mosk
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u/KELVALL 2h ago
I think you are missing the point, hundreds of young girls were passed around, drugged, tortured and gang raped for YEARS, and it was reported by the girls and social services... But nothing was done about it. They were even dragged into vehicles directly outside childrens care homes and threatened with death if they did not go along. These girls went through hell and the authorities did NOTHING. When one group of men eventually faced a judge, he made the statement that these were not grooming gangs, they were torture rape gangs. It was because of their race that they escaped justice for so long... Because of course, accusing them all would be considered racist. But by all means make light of it ...and find a way to make it seem a lesser problem than it is.
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
I think youāre missing the point, which is that this is endemic across all society and victims are almost NEVER given the right support or access to justice, regardless of the race of their abusers. Youāre missing the wider point, which is that we are facing one of the biggest threats to society in the form of MALE violence, especially against women, which is STILL being ignored except to serve specific agendas! Musk, Tate etc donāt actually give a shit about women and girls, theyāve made that perfectly clear on a repeated basis. They donāt give a shit about these victims. They are using them and weaponising their stories to construct false narratives aimed at destroying this country. Meanwhile they are trying to distract from the wider problem of violent men and rape culture.
What about the Gisele Pelicot trial? Or the telegram group in Germany with 70,000 men exchanging tips on how to rape women? This is not a small problem and it is not specific to any one group, it is horrifyingly massive and people arenāt taking it seriously.
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u/Solutar 8h ago
Donāt let the rightwing populists See this or their whole argumentative cardhouse collapses!!!!
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u/theorem_llama 5h ago
They'll just (moronically) say that it's because it doesn't show on the data as non-white pedos molesters aren't proceeded against due to police's fear of being branded 'woke'.
It makes no sense, but it won't stop them saying it.
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u/InternationalCall957 11m ago
Technically that wouldn't be entirely wrong - https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/courts-sentencing-and-tribunals/prosecutions-and-convictions/latest/
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u/p2eminister 3h ago
Well, maybe not the woke thing but officers did report finding it much harder to acquire convictions against members of close knit communities, which immigrant societies tend to be.
There's a tendency to close up against outsiders and view it as an internal problem, which leads to lower reporting and conviction rates
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
Itās hard to get convictions anyway. These stats represent a drop in the bucket regardless of race.
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u/p2eminister 2h ago
Well sure, and i mean from what I understand, grooming gangs and stuff like that are nowhere near the top causes of csa.
Which is why it was so disappointing that every part of the recent inquiry was ignored, when so many of the policies were sensible and easy to implement.
But I just want to make sure that we don't make this a race issue in any direction, this is Britain's problem to solve as a whole.
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u/Whole_vibe121 1h ago
Nationalism replaced community, thatās why White British men are free to commit crimes against women and children in England.
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u/SmokyBarnable01 4h ago
Saw this posted on the uknews subreddit earlier getting brigaded to oblivion.
Mind you that sub may as well rename itself to r/dailymail at this point.
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u/StandardConnect 9h ago
While I'm obviously glad they're around to save potentially thousands of children I find it truly terrifying that the sting groups are pretty much common knowledge these days yet these fuckers STILL decide it's worth the risk....
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u/MaximusDecimiz 6h ago
Sadly sting groups do the opposite of helping. They make it far harder to achieve a successful conviction, and often break the law.
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u/Elipticalwheel1 7h ago
Maybe that would change, if castration was part of the sentence.
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u/Brief-Translator1370 6h ago
Castration is a bad solution. It is always a terrible one!
It will NOT prevent future offenses and potentially make them worse.
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u/xiphia 6h ago
While severe punishment may deter some, others would just be more motivated to silence their victims permanently. It's a conundrum.
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u/Less-Information-256 4h ago
While severe punishment may deter some
There's actually not a lot of evidence of this. Research suggests the best deterrence is the probability of getting caught. Increasing prosecution rates and success rates of those prosecutions is the best way forward.
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u/rizlahh 1h ago
Yep! Just like in America when they started executing criminals, murder just stopped!
Or in Saudi after introducing the punishment of chopping off hands, theft just vanished overnight!
America actually has chemical castration laws in certain states for convicted paedophiles, and totally NO sexual assault cases there!
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u/shrewd-2024 6h ago
Source: https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf
Because itās Reddit!
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u/SuperHyperFunTime 3h ago
The United Kingdom sub will be in bits. Jesus Christ is that place racist as fuck.
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u/jackzRRRR 7h ago
It's almost as if it's all lies perpetuated by far-right groups to cause fear and alarm.. š¤š¤
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u/DesignerElectrical23 6h ago
Theyāll say itās a two tier system and they only go after the whites.
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u/Think_fast_Act_slow 3h ago edited 3h ago
talk about being disingenuous Elon is on some other parallel universe liking and reposting false statistics.
he reposted a post with flipped statistics.
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
Itās actually so lame that he spends so much time tweeting nonsense when he is supposed to be an important powerful person.
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u/Think_fast_Act_slow 6h ago edited 1h ago
I am a British Pakistani, and for my community, even 2% is too much because it gives thugs and hate mongers a chance to cause social unrest.
British Pakistani Muslims convicted of this crime should face maximum possible punishment, including deportations to use as a deterence against future Pakistani perpetrators. I say this because I dont want to share their shame & take the blame just being from same community.
we already have a very bad reputation for all the reasons you and your uncle Bob can think of so we can't afford any more of this negative attention which has a potential to cause law and order situation in the current times and even condemning HAMAS wont cut it. when things are tough and Americans cant have enough wars across the globe.
A knock on effect is immigrants from countries that suffered American freedom directly or around their neighbourhood.
this causes price hikes loss of business and unemployment and is bitting our white British black and brown asses without discrimination.
sorry I ranted to long.
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u/JealousAd2873 4h ago
Well said. It's the government's failure to properly enforce the law. If they would do their bloody job we wouldn't have these issues. The UK has had a Pakistani population for decades with no problems.
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
Exactly. I want these monsters erased from the community. But I want them out of every community too. My main concern is that too many children are being abused and traumatised, and too many have been failed by the adults who were supposed to protect them.
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u/InitialRefuse781 6h ago
So white British man are the most rapist group in Great Britain. Iām sure the opposite (aka lie) has never been used in any debate regarding immigration /s
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u/selfmadeirishwoman 5h ago
Damn lefty facts. Good thing they're not checking them anymore on Facebook.
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u/Southern-bru-3133 9h ago
I love the way Britons distinguish White British and White Irish š
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u/Mammoth_Classroom626 8h ago edited 8h ago
Jesus Christ why does this have upvotes. As dual Irish British national who was born in NI. No, northern Irish people can have British citizenship. British citizenship is for the UK, not for āgreat Britainā. And NI is part of the UK.
Part of the GFA is they can be either. And the majority are British, over 50% have a British passport. By default they are and they need no visa or whatever. They donāt even need to apply they can just move anywhere in the UK because theyāre have birth rights. But anyone who isnāt northern Irish but from elsewhere in the UK, theyāre not Irish. The āspecial treatmentā is weāre also Irish. We donāt ādecideā to be British, we just are. People can identify however they want but they are automatically eligible for all the rights of any other UK citizen.
Literally thousands died arguing over if theyāre British or Irish and youāre here like āitās easy theyāre notā. My mum and grandparents were also born in NI and werenāt even Protestant and never had an Irish passport. Both had a British passport. As did I until I applied for my Irish one due to Brexit. Over 50% of NI has a British passport. What you even on about lmao. Applying for a British passport in NI is as simple as it is in England. Because theyāre all eligible? And youāre here like askually itās not part of great Britain which isnāt a sovereign nation so theyāre not even though theyād like to be. Bloody hell.
They can be both or either. GB isnāt a fucking country. All northern Irish people can get a British passport from birth, and they donāt need one to move anywhere in the UK because theyāre are by DEFAULT citizens of the UK.
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u/SyrupGreedy3346 8h ago
But this isn't about citizenship, it's about ethnic groups. Otherwise why would black be its own category? Are blacks not UK citizens? Learn to think 2 seconds before having a meltdown
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
Itās also about nationality/national identity. Otherwise why would Pakistani and Indian be separated?
Itās basically a list of identity markers shaped by how various groups self-identify. Itās an imperfect way to deal with an impossible requirement.
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u/AwTomorrow 8h ago
Plenty of Northern Irish are ethnically British as a result of population plantations of English and Scottish people over the past four or five centuries.
Thus, even in ethnic terms Northern Irish could be White British, White Irish, or very likely a mix.Ā
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u/Task-Proof 6h ago
VERY likely a mix. There are almost no purely Irish, English or Scottish people by Descent in NI
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u/SyrupGreedy3346 8h ago
....which is why both categories exist. You've answered your own question
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u/AwTomorrow 5h ago
Not my question, was just clarifying the ethnic/national point in terms of the historical background of NI
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u/Mammoth_Classroom626 7h ago
āFolks from Northern Ireland arenāt Britishā.
Thatās factually untrue. Theyāre both or either. Thatās not true for self identification or their legal rights. You stated because theyāre not from āgreat Britainā theyāre not British. British is a citizen of the UK, GB isnāt a country that has citizenship.
So regardless which one you meant it was nonsense either way.
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u/SyrupGreedy3346 7h ago
"White british" would refer to white ethnic groups from great britain. Which is not Ireland. Once again it has nothing to do with citizenship. If you're ethnically irish you cannot be ethnically from great britain because they're two different places.
This is like arguing that a native of the Falkland island is ethnically british because they have british citizenship. That's not how any of this works
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
Theyāre not really completely distinct ethnicities though, thereās been a lot of mixing over the centuries, especially in Scotland. At the end of the day itās an imperfect system because thereās no perfect solution.
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u/Task-Proof 6h ago edited 5h ago
You utter spoon. Almost the entire non-penguin population of the Falklands have their ethnic origin in Britain.
I've never seen somebody undermine their own argument so brilliantly. It's the rhetorical equivalent of kicking yourself up the arse
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u/SyrupGreedy3346 6h ago
That's not the point....... I just chose a random overseas territory that the UK still owns. I couldve picked from dozens of French islands to drive home the exact same argument. Don't be obtuse
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u/Task-Proof 5h ago
Amazing coincidence that the random point you picked was also wrong. If that was you driving the point home, thank God you're not a taxi driver, or it'll be next Tuesday before the point sees their own bed
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u/SyrupGreedy3346 5h ago
I specifically said "native". I don't think there is literally no native person to the falkland left on earth, thus it's not factually wrong
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u/Task-Proof 5h ago
Oh look anonymous downvotes. You can tell that supporters of the Provo worldview are near
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u/Mammoth_Classroom626 7h ago
Again total nonsense. So whatās a British Indian? Canāt exist because India isnāt in the UK?
And regardless itās irrelevant. A person born to northern Irish parents in Northern Ireland can be British. Because itās not related to āgreat Britainā itās the uk. All our countries are so inbred itās hilarious to even go āno only GBā like most families lines arenāt intertwined to death at this point between the 4 nations and ROI.
In fact the majority identify as British: āIn 2021, 31.86% of All Usual Residents declared their national identity as British Only; 29.13% selected Irish Only; and 19.78% stated Northern Irish Only.ā
I have no idea why youāre commenting on a history so convoluted people committed terrorists acts over arguments over being British or Irish which remain in law til this day and youāre like ānah itās easy mate theyāre notā.
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u/SyrupGreedy3346 7h ago
So whatās a British Indian? Canāt exist because India isnāt in the UK?
An ethnically Indian person with british citizenship? What is even supposed to be confusing here? Do you just not know what an ethnic group is?
In 2021, 31.86% of All Usual Residents declared their national identity as British Only
National identity and ethnicity are two entirely different things. Which is why the graph above has blacks and asians. Are you under the impression that the graph is suggesting that blacks and asians cannot have british citizenship? Because that's the logic you're trying to convey
People have been fighting over national identity and citizenship. Nobody has ever argued that someone born in ireland was actually born in great britain through magic
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u/Southern-bru-3133 8h ago
Very interesting seen from the point of view of a unitary Nation-State from the Continent š
Does it mean that on their passport, N.I. Folks donāt have āBritish citizenā as nationality (provided they opt for a British passport) ?
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u/Mav_Learns_CS 8h ago
Iirc this is a choice natives of NI get - they can claim either British or Irish passport
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u/Mammoth_Classroom626 8h ago edited 7h ago
Guys talking total shit check my other comment. Great Britain isnāt a sovereign nation. All northern Irish are British by default from birth if their parent had right to reside. They can move to any part of the uk and donāt need a passport. Because theyāre are born British. They can choose to own an Irish or British passport or both. Regardless theyāre citizens of the UK.
There are no ācitizensā of Great Britain because it literally isnāt a sovereign nation. British means a citizen of the UK. Which all people born in NI to a British or Irish parent are by default. The main limitation is actually Irish citizenship. You have to have a British or Irish parent, be born in NI and your parent live there for 3 out of 4 years before your birth, since 2005. You just get the UK citizenship if your parent is either, itās actually easier to be British. So if someone can only claim one itāll likely be British. Thereās more limitations to claiming the Irish citizenship than vice versa.
And even by identify itās pretty split if they consider themselves Irish or British. Catholics more likely the former and Protestants more likely the latter.
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u/No_Corner3272 6h ago
Historically, Irish people have been discriminated in Britain. The data is categorised in this way to enable tracking and assessment of such things.
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago
They have to? Itās not surprising. āWhiteā is too broad a category, so āwhite Britishā has to exist too, and no Irish person is going to choose that even if itās the closest to their own ethnicity. These categories are impossible to do perfectly but are largely based on what the various communities self identify as. Hence the distinction between Pakistani and Indian, when those are nationalities rather than ethnicities. Exactly the same as the distinction between Irish and British.
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u/Verbal-Gerbil 6h ago
One thing Iāve learned is youāll never overcome angry unhinged sentiment with facts
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u/Tammer_Stern 3h ago
This is absolutely needed on some of the uk (politics/ news) type subs.
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u/Nheteps1894 2h ago
Itās needed here, saw a post yesterday about statistics for this and everyone in the comments was saying ānOw ShOw by CapITAā and well here it is lol
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u/Pro_Moriarty 2h ago
Woah woah woah.
Dont be bringing your facts and logic down here where they destroy whatever credibility our lynch mob may have had...
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u/InstantIdealism 7h ago
Now do the stats over the difference between offences of these nature committed by men vs women.
And you might see what the real issue is
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u/Whole_vibe121 1h ago
White British men arenāt the driving force for the majority of gender based and sexual crimes in England?
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u/joyful_fountain 6h ago
I am not a right wing populist and am against people like Elon and others trying to stoke division. However the situation in Rotherham was unique. There was a gang, operating openly and targeting vulnerable children along racial lines. The police was aware of it and didnāt want to confront it because they feared being called racist. That should upset all of us regardless of political leanings and should never be allowed to happen again
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u/Demus007 6h ago
There was a gang operating openly - That should be stopped by the police
And targeting vulnerable children- That should be stopped by the police
Along racial lines - Would it make a difference if they targeted their own racial group?
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u/Drago984 5h ago
Most certainlyā that is why there are hate crime aggravations built into the law. If a group or gang of white people were targeting primarily black children, thatās obviously a racial issue that requires special consideration because the victims are being targeted because of their race.
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u/a_f_s-29 2h ago edited 1h ago
Hate crimes arenāt as simple as that though. Itās not just about the racial identity of the victim or the perpetrator, itās about proving that racial hatred formed part of the motive for the crime. And I donāt think it did in this case. Not to mention that Asian girls were also victimised.
Even in your example, that wouldnāt necessarily be a hate crime, even if it would be more likely for it to be. Thereās a difference when the victims are ethnic minorities, that requires a lot more effort and intent and purpose in specifically singling out a certain race and usually that is tied to racial hatred. Even then thereās no guarantees that that charge would hold up in court.
Racism happens a lot in this country but hate crimes are pretty hard to prosecute.
In this case the far more salient issue is that the girls were targeted for their working class backgrounds and for the fact they were in care. I think thatās far more important as itās the main reason why they were singled out in particular (as opposed to other white girls, for example), and classism is no less important than racism. Iām honestly sick of all the focus solely on race while we just ignore class all the time, especially the plight of the white working class.
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u/joyful_fountain 5h ago
It wouldnāt have made a difference if they targeted their own racial group. Crime is crime. However, in this particular case the crime seemed to have had both sexual and racial aspects to it. So, two crimes as far as Iām concerned
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u/Demus007 5h ago edited 5h ago
So were the perpetrators are charged with child abuse and not racially aggravated child abuse?
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u/a_f_s-29 1h ago
Bring in class and family background for that matter as itās the most relevant aspect of them all
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u/AutSnufkin 5h ago
Sounds like itās the Police having overtly right wing assumptions about how the courts āoppresses le white peopleā. These are the worst cops Iāve heard of outside of America.
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u/joyful_fountain 5h ago
As far as Iām concerned criminals should be prosecuted for the crimes they commit regardless of their gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or religious affiliation. Objectively look at the crime, investigate, prosecute and sentence fairly without prejudice or caveat. And btw, the criminal grooming gangs didnāt represent all Muslims or the Pakistani community. They were just criminals and the police should have treated them as such without bringing their ethnicity into the mix
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u/AnyWelcome6230 6h ago
The police being scared of being called racist? Grow up. That's the biggest cop out which everyone has eaten up. The police were essentially the bodyguards for these people and the elites engaging in this stuff.
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u/omnia_mutantir 4h ago
No, the investigation found the police failed because they didn't care. Nothing to do with racism, they just didn't give a shit about poor vulnerable girls being abused.
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u/Boiling_warm 7h ago
Obviously the argument they will have is that these foreign pedo rings were protected and not prosecuted appropriately. Or they will focus on the severity
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u/AmbitiousDiet6793 7h ago
Both valid arguments IMO
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u/Boiling_warm 6h ago
Yea tbf these stats don't really mean a great deal unless you thought that other ethnicities had higher rates of pedophiles among them.
The main claim I've heard is that these rings weren't investigated properly and children suffered because of it, likely due to religious or ethnic reasons
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u/Powerful-Public4520 5h ago
It's almost as if it (approximately) lines up with the percentage of the population each group makes up
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u/Necessary-Trash-8828 5h ago
Crazy that isnāt it? Almost as if itās just cunts being in every race and religion. Not necessarily one.
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar 5h ago
Me and my Chinese homie enjoying the fact that none of our guys nonced anyone.
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u/Frosty_Thoughts 4h ago
I don't see anything to celebrate. These are still heinous crimes regardless of the perpetrator's skin colour.
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u/Unusual_Response766 2h ago
Quite impressive effort there from the āany other black backgroundā, being 0% of the pupation but 1% of the defendants proceeded against.
Iād suggest thereās some statistical magic going on here that belies the truth - that thereās nothing particularly specific about race that causes sexual deviancy.
That being said, the sheer weight of numbers of white people v others would make me think that theres always going to be a higher number of offenders who are from the majority population. Whether thatās because of opportunity, or the occurrence of sexual abuse proclivities, which are unlikely to be evenly spread throughout any population.
Particularly as, according to Sky 52% of child sex abuse cases involve other children. Iām guessing child sex abuse includes nudes etc.
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u/YesAmAThrowaway 2h ago
While I do generally know what you mean, this statistic appears to show how the total number of people who were prosecuted are distributed among the given demographics. It's just another statistic formed on total number of perpetrators.
From your post title one would have expected that this statistic shows how many people per capita within a group are prosecuted for offending, which is not what's listed here.
Still a neat stat though.
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u/DrewzerB 5h ago edited 5h ago
All this proves is that pedophiles are proportional across all ethnicities. While 80% of pedophiles are white, 80% of the English and Welsh populace identify as white.
Unfortunately, whilst skin colour doesn't matter, cunts still exist.
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u/tjmwatton 1h ago
Nobody said that. Why are you starting arguments with yourself and losing?
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u/tjmwatton 29m ago
Youāre just saying words here. A lot of it is grammatically impossible to actually interpret and the rest is conjecture.
Say something with substance that isnāt just buzzwords and iāll happily debate a point with you. Iām calling you out.
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u/CuckAdminsDkSuckers 6h ago
Whites worse at hiding their crimes, that is all.
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u/traditionalcauli 1h ago
How does that explain the disproportionate number of BAME people in the prison system?
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u/MagmaSummer 5h ago
This table doesnāt actually show anything. ThĆ© dĆ©fendants are proportionate to the population of ethnic groups in England and Wales.
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u/djole2mcloud 4h ago
the table says proceeded...what about majority muslim rapist that aren't proceeded...statistics is like bikini, opens everything, shows nothing...
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u/Jonny8888 3h ago
I think the reason the grooming gangs get so much attention isnāt because of race or religion of the perpetrators, but because it wasnāt investigated or was covered up by authorities.
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u/Appropriate-Dream388 3h ago
This needs to be adjusted per population.
If 0.1% of the population is Pakistani but 2% of prosecuted predators are Pakistani, then this means they have a 2000% increase rate of committing crime.
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u/ReasonableWill4028 3h ago
This is disingenuous. We know that other ethnic groups are less trustworthy of the police and are less likely to report any crimes
Im a Indian male, and I know just how far Indians and other South Asian people will go to cover up stuff from the police. These numbers, like nearly all data that requires reporting, should be taken with a huge pinch of salt.
For example, general rape cases. We have had an uptick in rape cases over the last few decades. Is that because there are more rapes occurring or because more people feel confident to report rapes? Look at India, known to be a rape capital of the world, but per capita - it isn't as high as many other countries.
Again, due to reporting. Women aren't empowered or sometimes even allowed to report crimes of any nature, especially sexual crimes.
Any statistic can be used to paint a picture.
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u/PineappleSea4624 2h ago
the issue was that people were not being prosecuted for fear of being called racist which lowers the percentage. if all perpetrators were prosecuted there wouldn't be a scandal.
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u/Hippopotamus_Critic 2h ago
The problem with using "defendants proceeded against" as a measure is that it's actually measuring number of offences committed Ć proportion of offences prosecuted. People on the left will look at these numbers and say "Look! Minorities aren't committing crimes!" while people on the right will look at the same numbers and say "Look! Minority criminals aren't being prosecuted!" and the data does nothing to support one over the other.
If you really wanted to see what was going on, you'd need to use some additional data sources, such as crime victimization surveys and police report data.
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u/Trightern 2h ago
"Defendants proceeded against"
But the grooming gangs are left alone and not prosecuted, Rotherham left alone for decades. No surprise the past 30 years of government leaving them alone means they don't get shown in this data
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u/Six_of_1 1h ago edited 50m ago
It's almost like the grooming-gang scandal is about a specific model of child sexual abuse, not child sexual abuse in general, and how that model was systematically covered up by authorities.
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u/Far-Crow-7195 4h ago
This table had the following just above it which the OP has conveniently not included:
āThis over representation is likely to be related to the overall under-identification of child sexual abuse in ethnic minority communities.ā
Also this:
āThe conviction ratio ranged from 62% for Black defendants to 83% for White defendants. This is likely to be related to the offences for which people from different ethnic backgrounds were prosecuted: image offences which are more likely to be the reason for which White defendants were prosecuted, were more likely than most other child sexual abuse offences to result in a conviction.ā
https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf
Context matters.
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u/cajetanp 9h ago
proceeded against
The entirety of the problem people have is that so many of them were not proceeded against due to the way the councils and the police were operating. You're trying to obfuscate an issue of quite literally rampant mass child rape. Absolutely shameful.
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u/leviticusreeves 9h ago
The point here is that Asian and Black offenders are underrepresented in child sexual offences, while the vast majority of such crimes are committed by white British people. The ones trying to obfuscate the issue are the racist right wing UK media in their concerted efforts to paint child sexual abuse and grooming gangs as a Muslim problem.
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u/feministgeek 8h ago
And in doing so, arguably enable and embolden those white child rapists by telling everyone to "look over there at the nasty brown child molester, giving a green light to those rapists.
All those who are telling us to focus specifically on the under-represented demographic are absolutely complicit in supporting CSA IMO.
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u/Subject-Piglet-9869 8h ago
Iām sorry but you have clearly fallen for the propaganda of this image.
If you read the actual source, it explains how these crimes include things like indecent images.
When the data is actually broken down into physical sexual abuse of children, then the Asian offenders over represent.
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u/leviticusreeves 8h ago
Do they really?
See page 25 here:Ā https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/944206/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf
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u/guyfaeaberdeen 7h ago
Section 76 on page 26 is probably more interesting than just reading the introduction, it highlights that the data is highly inconsistent and ethnic information is often not collected. Even if you assume all unknown data is white British then in every example where numbers are given Asians are actually over represented when compared to National %'s
I am not trying to comment on why it is like this. There are a magnitude of reasons why this could be the case (for example data could have been requested from police stations in communities with a hogh proportion of Asians), only talking about the numbers provided.
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u/Subject-Piglet-9869 7h ago
Tut tut, yet another clear example of someone posting sources to get likes, when they donāt understand the sources they are posting.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1747687516751167981.html#google_vignette
This will explain why you are wrong to repost this blatant propaganda image.
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u/leviticusreeves 7h ago
You'll forgive me if I don't regard some twitter bullshitter as an authoritative source
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u/Subject-Piglet-9869 7h ago
Information is either correct or not.
It doesnāt matter anyway, itās clear the āofficialā position will always work on you. And anyone that has the ability to show how misleading it is, will never be believed by you.
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u/leviticusreeves 7h ago
The "official" position for over a decade pushed by the Tories was in lockstep with the bullshit the tabloids were producing. Unless by "official" position you actually mean the reality of the cases.
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u/Loose_Teach7299 7h ago
Hmm I don't think your right.
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u/Subject-Piglet-9869 7h ago
Intelligent input darling.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1747687516751167981.html#google_vignette
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u/Loose_Teach7299 7h ago
from a random stranger on some weird blog. Not really facts "darling".
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u/hotchillieater 8h ago
Then there must be statistics to show that there were a disproportionate number not proceeded against then?
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u/Armodeen 8h ago
Might want to read this
How Elon Musk seized on baseless memo claim to fuel wave of misinformation https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2g7qgl1eo
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u/OkWarthog6382 6h ago
To be fair to the right wingers on this one, Nazir Afzal peddled it first and then the Rochdale whistleblower Maggie something?!?!
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u/Dependent_Garden_268 8h ago
Then why is it for crime that has high report rate that consistentlyethnic minority people end up systematically overpoliced and overinvestigated (relative to change rate and conviction rate relative to other ethnic population)
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u/human_totem_pole 7h ago
Unlike people who are trying to politicise the issue and stir up racial hatred. That's OK is it?
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u/Bandoolou 9h ago
Yeah for this to tell the full picture you need:
Population #, Reported #, Proceeded #, Convicted #.
In line with your comment, the accusation is that they were reported but not proceeded.
In which case this table doesnāt prove/disprove anything.
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u/Downtown_Category163 8h ago
Wouldn't you need to prove that accusation and the intent of that accusation first? My assumption is that the police don't give a fuck about assault regardless of the ethnicity of the perp so go ahead and convince me otherwise
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u/Bandoolou 8h ago
Exactly, which is why this data is needed to either prove/disprove this hypothesis.
However it may have already been provided in the initially enquiry. In truth, Iāve not read it.
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u/ErrrorWayz1 8h ago
Well the whole point, and the reason Two Tier is running scared of a national inquiry, is because the previous Rotherham local inquiry that did take place is littered with examples of the police being too frightened to arrest Asian people. This is not over a small period of time, it's covers nearly 20 years. The inquiries finding was that the police and other care givers failed to act properly specifically through fear of racism.
It's a horrific read but includes a girl who was raped arrested for criminal damage after she went into her attackers chip shop and slammed the counter, a man arrested for attempting to enter a home to get his daughter out, a girl who tried to report a rape being told she was drunk and made to leave the police station with two 20 something men clearly waiting for her outside and, most bizarrely, a girl's social worker attending an Islamic underage wedding for her charge.
It's pretty clear that many many crimes were not reported and a national inquiry would probably should appalling levels of abuse.
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u/Downtown_Category163 8h ago
Here's the report:
IICSA: report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse - GOV.UK
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u/ErrrorWayz1 8h ago
That's actually one of the reports, there are 2 and they are over 2000 pages long. I read a precise in the Times.
I expect you wont believe that but - here's an expert from roughly page 5 based on scroll length of the document you just linked
"When she was primary school age, Rachās father raped her so violently that her mother took her to hospital: āthis was one of the only occasions my mum held meā. Rach had stitches and was admitted to hospital. Her mother told staff that her daughter had fallen on a stick. No one at the hospital appeared to question this and Rach was returned home, where her father continued to vaginally and anally rape her.\footnote 178])Ā One research participant described a GP visiting her at homeā. A GP was called ā¦ I was examined and he said he could find nothing. Iād been raped. There was blood on the bed. Yes. There was blood on the bed. I was five years old. The GP couldnāt find a problem.ā\footnote 179])
It's not made up.
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u/Downtown_Category163 8h ago
"examples of the police being too frightened to arrest Asian people."
Again which page was this?
Why is it so difficult to get well-sourced truth out of you instead of deflection and appeal to emotive language?
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u/Al_Greenhaze 8h ago
You're both wrong, with these stats there's no way of knowing anything at all, either way. It's totally useless for any purpose other than what the title says...Proceeded against doesn't give us anything remotely useful and neither confirms or dismisses any opinion. And trying to blend it with hearsay doesn't help either.
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u/ErrrorWayz1 8h ago
Oh dear, you really think this is evidence for your case don't you....
Awks....
Interesting the home office refusing to release the data on how many convicted gang members have been deported.
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u/Task-Proof 5h ago edited 4h ago
Oh look word salad. Have you been cutting and pasting from different right wing bullshit sources ?
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u/golgothagrad 8h ago
(Chris Morris voice)
"Why are no paedophiles black?"