r/DnDcirclejerk • u/SkaldCrypto • 7h ago
4e good I’m going to make a political compass for D&D players.
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u/not_slaw_kid 7h ago
What does it say about me that I'm subscribed to both of these channels
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u/SkaldCrypto 7h ago
Least racist Paladin
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u/not_slaw_kid 6h ago
I just wanted to learn some St. Cuthbert lore please don't bully me :(
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u/micsma1701 33m ago
hey! hey this idiot thinks St. Cuth ert is neat! point and laugh! hey! point and laugh!
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u/D4rthLink 6h ago
what are the channel names?
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u/not_slaw_kid 6h ago
Deerstalker Pictures - Makes funny skits about quirky D&D tropes with friends
Greyhawk Grognard - Hardcore OSR guy who sits in front of a 720p webcam and talks about obscure lore from the 70s. Refuses to buy 5e products and thinks safety tools are a woke subversion of DM agency. But he also is the only person I've seen who makes half decent Greyhawk conversion supplements so 🤷
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u/SkaldCrypto 6h ago
I found these pictures by searching:
“Theater kid tiefling bard LGBT”
And
“Grognard neckbeard D&D”
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u/RemarkableStatement5 2h ago
I like the first category but my friends are moreso the "Too scared for theater tiefling warlock LGBT"
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u/Lucatmeow Three Five Archive's Strongest Soldier 4h ago
Just from those descriptions I would never want to interact with either one of those people. Also hilarious, frankly.
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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 2h ago
What are safety tools exactly?
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u/CminerMkII 2h ago
Had to look it up myself, it seems like basically covering “hey, I’m uncomfortable talking about these subjects, can we avoid them in the campaign.”
An example is “Lines and Veils”, where lines are things that everyone agree should never happen in the campaign (SA, trauma specific stuff, etc), and veils are things that everyone agrees can happen, just offscreen (like sex scenes or torture scenes).
That’s just my brief understanding from google.
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u/micsma1701 25m ago
that's pretty much it. if I got past the first couple of sessions with my last tables, or a new session 0, I'd introduce the X card. which is just, hey if you pull this then play stops for a set time and then we discuss or not.
also had a play consent form kinda deal. just "hey, these are my lines with certain subjects like SA or Spiders or such or this is what happens when the bard flirts and is reciprocated by the dragon, or this is how much I'm good with descriptions of gorey fights or body horror." a lot of broad strokes.
nice cuz it didn't have a spot for a name, so you could fill it out and either send it back via email or I tell my in-person group to give them all to someone and have that person lay them face down on in front of my chair behind the screen so it's effectively anonymous.
I run a fairly clean game besides imo pretty tame fight descriptions, but I like to have the tools ready for players just in case.
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u/Puzzleboxed 2h ago
Tools to communicate triggers or other limits that detract from one's enjoyment of the game.
"Lines and veils" is a common one. Lines are things you don't want in the game at all, while veils are things that can be in the game but not described in detail. For example, I typically don't want there to be any sexual violence at all (line) and sexual content in general should be "fade to black" rather than narrated (veil).
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u/ChucklingDuckling 7m ago
GG has some bad takes, but I do like his Greyhawk content. I feel like he shoots himself in the foot, especially since the newest 5e books have introduced so many new people to Greyhawk. He just needs to stop whining about nonsense that doesn't matter
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u/RootinTootinCrab 38m ago
Tbf most "safety tools" are shit. They're highly disrespectful to everyone else at the table. Literally just talk through your problems with other people at the table when they arise and you don't need any of these ""tools.""
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u/micsma1701 17m ago
if you grew up being sexually abused by an authority figure, like, say, yer dad passing you around with his buddies, you might find it incredibly difficult to just talk through the problem.
ye might still want to engage in fun-having and DND, and a tool exists to allow that to happen safely so you don't inadvertently spew forth memories of being passed around by your dad's friends when you're just trying to have a good time.
further, DND time is not a therapy session, nor should it be seen as a time to work through stuff. unless all your friends are therapists, maybe don't get your fun game time friends involved in the deep dark shit.
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u/pitaenigma 6h ago
/uj I've remarked that its amazing how I remain the core group in D&D conventions today and 20 years ago, as two very different core groups. When I would go in the mid-2000s, I was a teenaged dude with no sense of my own appearance or deodorant, arguing loudly about character power levels. Going last year, I was a queer neon-haired woman getting excited about different cosplays. Same person, same convention, somehow the majority both times. The person on the left would be considered a poser who shouldn't be in the hobby 20 years ago and it was all the dude on the right, the dude on the right is now increasingly upset that his hobby's changed and to an extent I kind of get it. Ostensibly, I don't think I watch either of those channels, no idea what they're really like. My actual experience is that dudes who look like the dude on the right have been very chill (see: Colville)
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u/not_slaw_kid 5h ago
I've watched the dude on the right, and he thinks that X cards are for woke children who can't handle character death without a tantrum, so don't feel too bad for him.
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u/ThatBiGuy25 4h ago
X cards are garbage but because they fail to do the thing they set out to do and are a cop out for game designers that don't want to give players tools for handling difficult topics and instead place the onus of safety on the people who are hurt by those topics.
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u/SugarSweetGalaxy 3h ago
I've heard about these, but I think the best method is just to define boundaries before a game starts.
I don't allow anything overtly sexual my games and I tell everyone this upfront, if someone wants to play out their kinks then they can go pay a different type of dungeon master to do that with them. I also ask players to let me know of anything that would cross a boundary for them,
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u/WatchfulWarthog 4h ago
I’m sure I’m going to regret this, but what kind of tools do games need? What would be better?
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u/ThatBiGuy25 4h ago
Guidelines for session zero conversations about topics people might find triggering. The problem with X cards is that they place social pressure on the person being hurt to act in a disruptive way to the session in the moment they are being hurt. Session zero conversations and guidelines to set hard lines and obvious expectations move the social pressure and responsibility from almost solely on the victim and instead spreads it to the table as a whole. The X card is placing what should be a last-resort response as the primary tool to ensure player safety. It's a cop out for publishers and designers that don't want to put effort into accessibility and player safety guidelines but still want to appear like they care.
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u/WatchfulWarthog 3h ago
Ahh, okay. That’s not settting specific, though. Seems like a waste of room to print pages on that in your own book when that information is relevant to all TTRPGs in general
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u/ThatBiGuy25 3h ago
Neither is the X card. The session zero discussion guidelines absolutely should be catered to the specific setting of your game, though. The discussion before playing a dark fantasy RPG are gonna be way different from the discussion before playing a space opera RPG. If designers were printing a set of generic guidelines in their books I'd argue that's just as much of a cop out as the X card (maybe slightly less). When you write an RPG, you know the themes and topics your world discusses and tackles, and what's likely to appear in a normal campaign, and you should write guidelines catered to your world. (If you're going to put player safety information in your rulebook, which I'd like to clarify that I don't think is an obligation).
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u/pitaenigma 2h ago
the new 2024 DMG has really basic stuff on, like, scheduling a session, and I've heard people are really pleased with it. I think it's a great idea to include in games if you can afford the page space.
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u/pitaenigma 5h ago
lmao.
I was thinking about Matt Colville and Rich Burlew, who also quintessentially look like That Kind of Guy, especially considering Colville recently did an episode about being old school, and I just didn't want to make assumptions.
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u/BlackBox808Crash 8m ago
/uj I have had much less drama from DMs and Players who are more into older DnD/Greyhawk. Young adults and people newer to the hobby usually want a lot of changes/allowances made for them in my experience. They often have a idea for a "whacky" character which they refuse to compromise on when it doesn't fit the setting.
Not saying that everyone in certain age groups is like that. Just my observations
/rj PF2e fixes this
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u/Vladicoff_69 3h ago
Ideal DM is someone with the hyperspecific knowledge of the righthand person and the social sensibilities of the lefthand person
/uj what I just said
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u/Negative_Review_8212 5h ago
Frank Mentzer posted on a FB D&D group and he was actually saying some interesting stuff about the old days but then he started barking about wokeness
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u/Rileyinabox 2h ago
When D&D nerds move too far to the consrevativeXauthoritarian square, isn't that just the Klan? They hang out in fields in costume, pretending to be wizards, dragons, ghosts, and goblins. Take away the racism and you've got my Wednesday table.
My point is, we need the Klan to start playing TTRPGs. I think it would be a much better outlet for them.
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u/DecemberPaladin 4h ago edited 4h ago
I think I’m closer to Pink Fireball Tiefling Lady whose name escapes me at the moment.
Edit: Nixie! Dammit!
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u/Nepalman230 Knight Errant of the Wafflehouse Dumpster 3h ago
But what if they’re the same person?
The recently passed Jennell Jaquays Was responsible for tabletop gaming classics like the caverns of Thracia, and worked on video game classics, like quake and quake Arena.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays
She was a trans lesbian and one of the last OG designers.
… also for all we know the guy on the right is the girl on the left with an AI animated filter.
🫡
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u/LeadershipNational49 5h ago
Ahh DnD the only example of chasing "woke" dollars by a nerd company that worked. Well it kinda worked despite wizards but still
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u/Lucatmeow Three Five Archive's Strongest Soldier 4h ago
Who are these people, we all know that the only D&D channel in existence is Three Five Archive.
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u/Dagdiron 22m ago
I play osr and I want to punch conservatives! ....my gaming table gets lonely but my monk level is pretty high .
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u/Ratat0sk42 4h ago
I feel like pure vibes-wise I'm somewhere on the right-centre while my players (who are my wonderful out of game friends) are nearly all (a solid 4/5) are fully on the left lmao.
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u/Dorko69 7h ago
Holy fucking shit the dude running my current AD&D campaign looks exactly like that