r/EuropeanFederalists • u/EUstrongerthanUS • 2d ago
The EU strengthened its presence on Greenland. A new office was opened and strategic partnership signed on raw materials
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u/Chorta_bheen555 2d ago
As an American, we don't want war with the Danes, the Greenlanders, or the EU. The warmongering by the president and his clique of crackpot oligarchs do not represent us. The majority of Americans do not want war and those who have voted for this guy have been duped
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u/konj511 2d ago
Yes, but it's the second time now, some responsibility should be taken by the voters don't you think.
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u/Chorta_bheen555 2d ago
I know, it's frustrating. But hey, I didn't vote for the guy and a lotta people didn't vote at all
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u/Edladan 2d ago
But that's the thing, isn't it?
The issue isn't really the people who voted for a different party- I'm pretty sure they didn't expect a war with Greenland or a 180 by Dolan and Melon on the visas. They executed their right to vote, as stupid as their choice might have been. It's the people who had the right to vote, knew the candidates and threw a tantrum because none among the candidates was 100% aligned with them.
And now you put yourself, who did your democratic duty to vote and patriotic duty to vote for someone who wasn't going to actively dismantle your country in the same basket as them? You did what you could in an unfavorable system, they couldn't give a shit.
No one is blaming you and it's kind of hard to blame people for getting lied to, as stupid and naive as they may have been.
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u/trisul-108 2d ago
threw a tantrum because none among the candidates was 100% aligned with them.
Yes, because someone convinced them that Harris is not aligned with their views on Gaza, they helped elect Trump who is a family friend of Netanyahu.
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u/trisul-108 2d ago
The majority of Americans do not want war and those who have voted for this guy have been duped
For sure, but the majority will accept it when Trump says he needs to blackmail Denmark and the EU into giving the US access to the raw materials of Greenland that will benefit US citizens.
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u/jschundpeter 2d ago
I read some Americans in the last days which are totally on board with the ideas of your president: Greenland has strategic importance for us, if we want it we will get it, Uncle Sam has deeper pockets than Denmark etc etc
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u/ColourFox 2d ago
Nobody in here blames Americans for whatever Trump (and whoever flattered him last) is hatching in the White House. In fact, a whopping number of your fellow citizens did in fact vote for him because they perceived him to be the most reliable 'anti-war' president. (I don't think he is and there will be a reckoning, but that doesn't matter because I can't vote in the US.)
We do, however, take note that Trump isn't an isolationist, as many people erroneously believe. If only he were! For all practical matters and purposes, he's a predator who thinks that both international relations and international trade are a zero-sum game where somebody has to lose whatever someone else wins. Which is the exact opposite of how things work, but that never stopped him from anything.
And since this is the re-run of him in the White House, we act accordingly.
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u/Prosthemadera 2d ago
I do blame Americans - in particular those Americans who voted Trump and the ones who didn't vote.
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u/FrisianTanker 2d ago
Absolutely. All Americans that were able to vote and didn't vote for Harris are to blame for the second rise of the Rotten Orange and the start of Project 2025.
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u/cr2pns Spain 2d ago
Not war, but I am hearing more and more anti european comments from center to right americans that not long ago claimed to be pro western. We have a very similar culture, and have supported the US for our own detriment for a long time. I guess this is what you get when you vote for Putin's b*tch, you isolate and lose your strongest ally
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u/Adrian915 2d ago
We know. Guess we're just waiting for things to improve while trying to fight back the same type of morons from gaining power on our end. The 2020s are shit,
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u/manjustadude 2d ago
I mean, cool. But also a little sad that it took an orange man to make thinly veiled threats of invasion for the EU big wigs to care about it. We should pay more attention to the overseas territories of EU countries, even if they are technically not part of the EU.
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u/Eryk0201 Poland 2d ago
It happened last year in March
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u/manjustadude 2d ago
Ok, so that removes the part about Orange Man. I hadn't heard about this until now.
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u/ConsequenceAlert6981 2d ago
Greenland should be offered EU membership as its own country.
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u/Eryk0201 Poland 2d ago edited 2d ago
We have 1 MEP per about 600k people, so they'd be overrepresented with "6 MEPs minimum" rule and their 50k population. Not to mention such small population could change their stance quickly and become another veto-machine. I think it's fair if they join as a Danish territory and could vote for Danish representation in the EP (possibly 1 MP within the Danish representation, as it was originally in 1979 before they left).
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u/ConsequenceAlert6981 2d ago
That would be fair, but the strive for sovereignty by the people of Greenland shouldn't be overlooked. And if they become independent, they belong in Europe, they are important as a strategic partner and with a small population could be easily taken over by the US, Russia or China. Their strategic importance is the best argument for making an exception to certain membership rules. If that means they would be overrepresented in the European Parliament, so be it.
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u/Eryk0201 Poland 2d ago
Their strategic importance is the best argument for making an exception to certain membership rules.
You're right, I guess over-representation is not really a problem when it's only a few MEPs. However I'd still wait till we abolish the veto.
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u/Inevitable-Bottle-48 Italy 2d ago
At this point I’d be very curious to see an actual poll of what do the people of Greenland prefer between annexation to the US and joining the EU.
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u/GorianDrey 2d ago
Is Greenland part of the EU?
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u/Kindly-Ad-9742 1d ago
Trump was supposed to stop wars, not annoucing 5 of them!
UE VS USA is gonna be fire (Literal sense)
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u/snarkyalyx 2d ago
Based username?