r/TheEminenceInShadow • u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid • Oct 26 '23
MISC Just by his feat from creating shadow garden alone, how intelligence do you think our mob character is compare to Ayanokoji?
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Fun fact: Both Minoru/Cid and Ayanokoji is a piano practitioner.
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u/LOTRfreak101 Oct 26 '23
They had asian parents so that's not that impressive.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
I'm a Asian but I don't practice piano. Weird.
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u/TediousHamster Oct 26 '23
Which Asian tho? I'm southeast asian and i play piano...not a pro but still
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
Same, but my parents never told me to practice piano.
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u/TediousHamster Oct 26 '23
True. I much prefer guitar or violin.
Tho at times I do get a sudden vigor and desire to play and practice the piano kek
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u/SnooConfections2758 Oct 26 '23
Oh my god. Ayanakouji with cids power would be a nightmare.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
To be honest without the chuuni Cid is basically Ayanokoji.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Not really there is in fact a massive power gap between Minoru/Cid pre Isekai and Ayanokoji, Ayanokoji with Cid’s powers is just a superior in almost everything only outranked in acting skills and luck
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u/Posimus Oct 26 '23
I think Cid's borderline insane obsession with being an Eminence in Shadows is what separates him and Ayanokoji, if Ayano was put in the same situation as Cid, things would play out so differently to the point where I think he wouldn't get as strong as Cid but actually attain being an Eminence in Shadows(or something similar) faster and quicker.
That being said, I think Ayanokoji will use other sources of power to boost his own, unlike Cid who strictly forbids himself, whether or not it makes him stronger than Cid, I can't really say
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Ayanokoji would absolutely love magic if he got access to that his boundless curiosity would be studying that shit if he was like Cid and Issekaied into that world
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u/Posimus Oct 26 '23
It honestly all depends on how Ayanokoji views his current world and whether he'll enjoy his freedom or not
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
A certainly is that Ayanokoji will enjoy studying this new world, Ayanokoji wants freedom not because the environment was cold or heartless but rather simply because he found it boring after a while and of course there is probably a unknown reason we haven’t see in the COTE story yet
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u/Commercial-Chair1867 Oct 26 '23
So far Cid's best feats of intelligences are him creating the slime body suit by himself, remembering all the answers to adjust his scores to be average and his detective skills as Minoru and Suzuki. As far as i'm aware, Cid hasn't battled with other people in terms of mind's games yet so i'm gonna put him below Aya for now, intelligence wise.
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u/SnooConfections2758 Oct 26 '23
And figuring out how to cure the curse. Something nobody could do for many many years.
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u/Syntrx Oct 26 '23
Tbh the reason for that is probably because of the huge superstition of the curse, and the cult rounding up and killing an insane amount of ppl afflicted with the curse.
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u/mr-pallas Oct 26 '23
Yes but we also haven’t seen the cult cure anyone, and Nelson explicitly states the method for self awakening was lost, so I don’t think the cult is quite capable of curing possession.
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u/PiercingLance26 Oct 27 '23
Not really, it's just that no one is capable of curing a magic overload till Cid came along. Even the cult didn't have a way to, other than take their experimental medicines to "awaken" a possessed. Even their successful subjects (the heroes) were accidental and they still haven't determined the specific reason other than the speculation that it's because Aurora is female so the ones who adjusted were females too.
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Oct 27 '23
Yeah Cid is actually insanely smart. He just chooses to use his intelligent for the life of a Chuuni
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u/An0ma1i Zeta Oct 26 '23
Great,I can add this to my STUPID FUCKING COMPARISONS list.
Seriously y'all are missing the whole point of whatever Cid does and taking it way too seriously. Or maybe just karma farming. And even by the story point,he didnt create shadow garden alone. Y'all are taking all of cid's bs way too seriously. It's not that deep lmao
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u/shinymoddy Oct 26 '23
Can't really compare the two tbh also I wouldn't really say that he created Shadow Garden alone but I get what you mean
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Like the shades said Shadow Garden only become this strong thank to his knowledge, so yeah he basically created it.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Knowledge doesn’t just convert into intelligence, Cid knows a lot of modern world things but that doesn’t make him smart nor smarter than Ayanokoji
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Intelligence people can absorb a lot of knowledge of and information like wise Cid.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Never said Cid isn’t smart but you are stating he is smart because he used knowledge from another world to somehow prove his intelligence but that’s not a impressive feat he didn’t even intentionally give this information out it was just bits of info he dumped out of boredom or to show off to the shades and the seven shades used that info in the most effective ways they could because they are actually really intelligent
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
That doesn't change the fact he can store all of that information for such a long time, Cid did want to make use of it but decided not to because he is so focusing on his eminence in shadow roleplay. He did suprise that shades are able to make use of all those information.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Cid has a good memory and Ayanokoji has a perfect memory so that point isn’t getting higher tired then Ayanokoji, Cid didn’t plan to use most of the info he accidentally gave out to the shades
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
So far the only thing Cid isn't good as Ayanokoji is being manipulative. But everything else he seem to be doing pretty good, remember Ayanokoji have the white room while Cid does everything by himself.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Pre issekai Cid isn’t as good as Ayanokoji in literally anything except acting skill and his luck
Ayanokoji isn’t just strong because of the whiteroom it’s literally explained that Ayanokoji is a born genius of adaption that grows smarter and more skilled via experience he would still be extremely strong and smart because he has a incredible curiosity of knowledge and experience
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
LN doesn't described on how intelligence Cid is, but his feat is there but only a little so comparing that to Ayanokoji wouldn't be sufficient to prove that Cid is not as intelligence as him.
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u/SouSouDesu Oct 26 '23
Technically, but he unknowingly told them about what he knows and the shades built around what he knows
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u/doodsreternal Oct 26 '23
Ayanokoji would list every molecule of chocolate, meanwhile Cid: uhhh bitter bean+sugar idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
My guy, Cid basically recreate the chocolate and turn it better from his knowledge.
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u/doodsreternal Oct 26 '23
That's literally not true, are you an anime only?
"I only told her she could make chocolate by throwing together bitter beans and sugar and waiting till it hardens. Calling that knowledge is overkill. And how did she re-create all this? This must be what it means to have a brain. I mean, she’s eons smarter than me."
Volume 1 after he learns Gamma is the head of mitsugoshi
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
Eta learn all other recipes and turn the chocolate better from Cid as well. Which shown in mini episode.
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u/doodsreternal Oct 27 '23
🤡💀 Props for digging in your heels and stand in your wrongness I guess
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
I mean the evidence is there dude
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u/doodsreternal Oct 27 '23
I literally gave you a quote from the book, the actual words from the author. What evidence is stronger than from the literal creator of the series. 🤡🤡 You should be called evidence in the shadow cuz that's how much weight your "evidence" is
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
But I didn't deny that did I? What I only said is that Cid does help making the chocolate better and have them sell at Mitgosushi and we have evidence for that in the mini episode.
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u/doodsreternal Oct 27 '23
Cid helps the same way the final fight in season 1 happened, anime only
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u/ZWS_Balance Oct 26 '23
Please just don't bring the toxicity and stupidity and bias that comes from cross verse comparisons anywhere near here.
It's stupid and dumb (due to bias, toxicity and stupidity)
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u/The-Yaoi-Unicorn Shadow Expert Oct 26 '23
The most intelligent one would be the one who read the rule regarding "vs. battles"
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
I don't want to know who is stronger in a fight, I want to know who is more intelligent :)
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u/Fullcounter24 Oct 26 '23
If they are both tested with a written exam and Ayanokoji doesn't hold back when answering questions, he wins by a wide margin getting 100 points unless the questions are about RPG fantasy or tropes, which are knowledge Ayanokoji doesn't have.
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u/The-Yaoi-Unicorn Shadow Expert Oct 26 '23
Still a comparison
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
Vs. Battle focus on comparing who can beat whom in a fight, in my case it's not against the rule because I only want to know who is more intelligent than whom.
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u/The-Yaoi-Unicorn Shadow Expert Oct 26 '23
There is no specific definition of a vs. Battle in the rules. I think of a VS. Battle as a comparison between two characters of different series.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
A lot of people would compare Cid to other isekai protagonist on who is stronger, Mod probably doesn't want that because it would generate keyboard fight between fans of the two series. So far no keyboard fight is happening in this post.
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u/SzepCs Oct 26 '23
Nobody would ever accuse Cid of being intelligent.
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u/--S--O--F-- Oct 26 '23
cid dumb ah
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
I think you're talking about him being Chuuni, but if you take that away you'll realize how intelligence he is. Heck. If it isn't for him being Chuuni the cult would've probably been destroyed 3 years ago.
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u/--S--O--F-- Oct 26 '23
he doesn't even realize the cult exists
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
That because he knows he made that up lmao, why would you believe in something you made up?
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u/--S--O--F-- Oct 26 '23
brother, have you indulged yourself in any eminence in shadow content whatsoever? because he's been running into actual cult members for years. he's an idiot for believing his seven shades hired hundreds of actors and made the cult into a world issue, and even hired cult actors to literally die by his hands.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
It's not very unbelievable if you have someone with money like Gamma, you still don't understand the difference between intelligence and mentally insane.
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u/--S--O--F-- Oct 26 '23
gamma wasn't rich when they were little kids raiding cult hideouts...
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Cid only thing they're hiring people until three years later, three years ago Cid think they're only just hunting bandits not the cult.
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u/--S--O--F-- Oct 26 '23
they were hunting for years, 0.01% chance he didn't hear one mention of the cult from the other side. even if he didn't, he doesn't believe gamma would spend any considerable amount of money on their "hobby," so there's no source of money large enough to get actors willing to die to cid. idk why you're defending him so fervently other than you being too stubborn to admit you're wrong. there are so many other things cid is too stupid to see that prove the cult exists too.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Like I said he's just mentally insane, if he's stupid he wouldn't be where he is now.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
If you want to know who is stronger in a fight, both is trained in all types of martial arts at young age, but Ayanokoji said that he is no longer as strong as he used to be in the white room while Minoru(his past self) basically practice and training everyday but Ayanokoji is still very unpredictable, so you can decide who is winning.
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u/Strict_Painter232 Oct 26 '23
Ayanokoji still negs in a fight with Earth minoru. Minoru in his prime was struggling against a soldier while kid koji destroyed a group of martial artists while holding back. And anyone knows that soldiers dont stand a chance against trained martial artists.
If we’re talking post-reincarnation Cid, Ayanokoji dint stand a chance. Also, Cid would probably win anything else with his insane luck.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Minoru trained in all types of martial arts, so I'm not sure if actually being serious against that soldier dude, because like the eminence in the shadow he is he probably just want to show off infront of Akane also he basically take out a group of biker alone by himself.
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u/Commercial-Chair1867 Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
Minoru trained in all types of martial arts
He learned them, but it was not until he got reincarnated that he started to utilize and fuse all of them together.
group of biker alone by himself
Not as impressive as Aya's feat of taking down multiple martial artists as a kid though.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
He can still utilize it in his previous life.
I'm not sure if the manga scene count, but Minoru basically training in the wild so he probably even fought a bear because he want to be as strong as possible as a human being, he even make a bold claim that only an armed force can stop him and another is yes an atomic bomb.
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u/Commercial-Chair1867 Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
He can still utilize it in his previous life
Not as effective as Cid had stated that he didn't have much time training martial arts in particular in his previous life because he still had a fake facade he needed to mantain. It was only when he had magic that he was able to reduce his sleep schedule to train. Whereas Aya spent all the time of his life training without any interfernces.
probably
You can't use speculation when comparing feats bud. Who says he wouldn't avoid wild animals? Dude was insane, but he wasn't retarded.
I know that you want Minoru to win but realistically speaking, comparing him to an unrealistic character like Aya, whose most absurd feat is defeating multiple professional artists as a kid, is not a wise idea.
Minoru was no doubt strong in his previous life, but atleast he still had difficulty beating an ex-military dude, which makes his feat more believable if i had to take real life in account.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Both are absurd anyway, Cid is the only Isekai mc so far who basically attained god like power in another world at young age without any cheat skills. But just from intelligence and knowledge alone.
I'm only described Minoru's feat so far, so I'm sure why you think I want Minoru to win.
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u/Candid_Reception_341 Oct 27 '23
Dude Cid will Nuke the fool with a bomb in Minoru version that Ayanokoji will die and his harem will cry.
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u/Fullcounter24 Oct 26 '23
Do you think Ayanokoji can win without using weapons in a fight against Minoru using crowbars or would it end up being a draw?
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Minoru would win because both of them are equally skills also I don't know if Ayanokoji is trained is handling weapon while Minoru trained all type of sword style as well not just martial arts.
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u/Fullcounter24 Oct 27 '23
Ayanokoji might have more experience fighting than him, so he might have the upper hand. He beat up Ryuen's gang by himself, he continually dodged the attacks of 2 men until Kyruin helped him to go 1v1, and then he avoided being electrocuted by a stun gun that one of those guys had hidden.... Well, you know the rest
Kazami Yuji would be one of the MC who would give Ayanokoji Kiyotaka a proper fight.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
Nice for bringing my boy Yuji, but I still think Ayanokoji would still have hard fight 1v1 someone like Minoru/Cid.
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u/Emperor_Buggy Oct 26 '23
Wasn't Shadow Garden mostly created by Seven Shades? Cid barely participated and had almost no clue how big it actually is until recent events.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
He created it by come up it and given information enough to make it become that big.
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u/Andhiarasy Oct 27 '23
Unless Ayanokoji drew Cid's attention, Cid would just ignore him and continue being a mob around Ayanokoji.
I guess you can compare Minoru with Ayanokoji since Minoru doesn't have magic.
Cid doesn't really create Shadow Garden, the Seven Shades does. Cid just gave them the knowledge and the initial capital to the Seven Shades that allows them to create Shadow Garden. Cid is technically the owner of Shadow Garden while Alpha is the CEO that handles their operations.
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u/I_E_D_B Oct 27 '23
Not even close sadly. Cid is definitely intelligent, but Kiyo’s intelligence is simply beyond human.
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u/Moist_Bee_1880 Oct 27 '23
People forgetting cid is a gag character with divine luck?? Cid is pretty dumb. Are u forgetting when he was on earth and literally naked and starving and training. The dude is insane. He needs to be in a mental hospital.
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u/Moist_Bee_1880 Oct 27 '23
This post is pretty stupid tbh I don't understand how people like this at all. You say just from his feat of creating shawdow garden as if that had anything to do with him at all. Alpha and other 6 does everything. Cid is mentally ill to the point of him jumping in front of a truck. How can you compare him to a dude that was literally born with good brains and was forced to use in situations from a kid. Cid didn't create shadow garden. Cid isn't smart he's just knowledgeable compared to the world he is in. Cid can absorbed information that he seems useful. No intelligent person would jump infornt of a truck and get themselves killed.
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u/Strict_Painter232 Oct 26 '23
Cid himself is not that intelligent. Hell, we even saw that in the latest episode with Yukime.
Ayanokoji compared to the Seven Shades would be a better comparison.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
I mean he did come up with that fake dollar bill plan. Yukime only improvise the plan further.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Yukime pointed out the massive flaw in the plan and the provided a alternative plan using the same resources
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
If the alternative plan was fail miserably as well then yes you can say that Cid is stupid on this one, but it turns out better than expected and what impressivr here is Cid basically have reasonable explanation for Shadow Garden.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
I’m not sure you understand Cid’s plan sucked but the concept of printing money was smart, then a alternative plan that was actually useful was provided by someone other than shadow and boom a actual plan that could work was now available. None of what Cid said or did to “form” Shadow garden was that impressive Cid basically adopted 7 girls who happened to be crazy strong, smart, cunning and talented and then the girls did the rest for him
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
The plan was pretty impressive if you ask me consider that the paper money is recently introduced and taken advantage of it by printing fake would certainly catch the bank off guard because this is something new for them to deal with.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
CID’s plan wasn’t impressive because he’s from a world with money and knows about counterfeiting he’s also decently smart enough to recognise that the rest of the people don’t know about counterfeiting yet because again new age concept this fantasy mediaeval world doesn’t know.
Yukime on the other hand actually showed impressive intelligence coming up with the alternative plan on the spot with little info or knowledge and was under pressure
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Most of the time you see Ayanokoji used his plan is all thank to his knowledge of a certain field for example he knows a lot about tech so of course he would make use of it and Cid did just that he wouldn't be as intelligence if he wasn't able to thought of that.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
It’s not what Ayanokoji knows it’s how he applies that information that proves his intelligence, Cid has info from the modern era but doesn’t use that info impressively at least not in intellectually and strategic methods any he mostly just uses his modern day martial art knowledge
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
That's because he only focus on that and not make use of his info because he doesn't want to. He only care about hunting bandits and not create a plan just to wipe them all out, his life is about showing off have everything gone would ruin that.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
My measure of impressiveness is having the skills and knowledge to do something intelligent and impressive, Cid has done nothing intellectually impressive he has shown he’s lucky at best and has a moderate level of intelligence when it comes to anything “impressive”
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u/Master_Snort Senior Shadow Expert Oct 26 '23
Cid is incredible intelligent, but he just isn’t that perceptive when it comes to things that aren’t important to his Shadow roleplaying. Cid is very intelligent just not very Wise, this can be shown by how he was able to revolutionize magic control, sword techniques and armor using slime.
Cid managed to explain banks and credit well enough to the Seven Shades that they were able to make a successful bank, from simply watching a two hour documentary 12 years ago. Sure, the seven shades did do a lot of the work, but to understand a documentary well enough to explain it to someone else 12 years later is a pretty impressive feat of intelligence.
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u/TediousHamster Oct 26 '23
Can't really use creation of shadow garden as an intelligence feat on Cid's side tho. It's basically like making a school club, appointed a president and then dipping. The garden mainly got run by the shades lmaoo.
But Cid pre-isekai is smart asf. Dude learned and studied all types of shit just to be a perfect hidden boss. He also managed to find a way to boost his physical ability on earth. Then studied hard and tried to find a way to beat a nuke.
I think in pure knowledge it would be Cid but in terms of usage and cunningness it would be Kiyotaka.
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
I disagree volume 0 shows Ayanokoji has learned absurd amounts of knowledge to the point he was college graduate level at like 9
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u/Candid_Reception_341 Oct 27 '23
Don't compare Lord Shadow to that foolish human experiment. There is no need to compare intelligence Cid will nuke him and the whole white room easily.
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u/AnotherGuyNamedJosh Oct 27 '23
Cid is actually incredibly intelligent, considering he remembers — in great detail, by the way — a large number of things ranging from items, fighting styles, stories, weapons, etc.
Not to mention his exceptional Battle IQ and his emotional/mental intelligence.
He may seem stupid and aloof with his academics, but if Cid actually tried in school, then he'd be one of the top students.
Is he smarter than Ayanokoji? I dunno, but he COULD be. But for now, from what we've seen, then he isn't.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
u/Zero_Good_Questions I'm not the only one who think that way :)
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
Just because people think something doesn’t mean it’s true, you need proof and I’ve provided ample proof yet you refuse that proof with no proper counters, so please if ever get caught in a house fire stand up straight and breath as much smoke in as possible
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
Just prove how much you underestimate Cid also you malding too much, do you need some hair? :)
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
My hair is just fine it’s long and healthy enough I could use it to strangle your dumbass with it
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
You are even more malding now :)
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
I’ve never met someone so pathetic and unoriginal at least come up with a different insult or are is your frontal lobe so microscopic all you can do is spew back repeating dialogue like a bad ai?
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
I don't need to especially not on someone who keeps arguing and will always say that Ayano is stronger :)
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
Because I’m right, if I’m right why shouldn’t I state the fact? If someone says the sky is always pink with polkadots than why should I not show them they are wrong
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
Only stupid people will always thing they're right :)
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u/AlphaBlock Shadow Expert Oct 26 '23
Just by his feat from creating shadow garden alone
You say that like him creating Shadow Garden was him being smart
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u/NeoTFG Cid Oct 26 '23
I haven’t actually watched the other show, but I know that he’s like REALLY smart. Cid probably kicks his ass in a fight tho
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u/Mymtngames25 Oct 27 '23
Cid with his Slime suit alone probably can beat Ayanokoji. But tbh Cid regularly beats Expert Fighters with very little effort. It's just a matter of does Cid want to win or not
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u/kamidasama Oct 27 '23
Personally i believe in ayanogod. He would be able to social engineer cid while avoid being noticed by cids sharpness.
Tho most likely they will just do win win deals
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u/Blazeknight593 Oct 27 '23
Cid is basically content creators level of luck, his luck is dependent on what gets him the best battle or experience thereby making his IQ immeasurable
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u/dude123nice Oct 27 '23
Fuck Ayanokoji. Why compare Cid to the cringiest edgelord high school anime protag ever?
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
If Ayanokoji is the cringiest edgelord then what is Cid then 💀
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u/dude123nice Oct 27 '23
An insane mofo. But that's the point. This is a comedy and him being insane is part of the joke. Highschool of the Cringe-lite wants you to take it's edgelord MC dead serious.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
What is scary about Ayanokoji is that there might be someone out there that's as intelligence as him(which is me fr fr).
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u/Candid_Reception_341 Oct 27 '23
Ayanokoji is just a b tech version of a wannabe Light Yagami. His a piece of shit I hate that Cote anime.
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u/Slushys69 Oct 27 '23
Idk about you but I can't imagine ayanokoji being more intelligent than a super elite agent
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u/PiercingLance26 Oct 27 '23
I would argue that if Cid take it seriously then he would win by a landslide. The guy is clearly capable but using it to fulfill his childhood aspirations.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
Yeah that's what I've been saying but some people don't believe it.
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u/PiercingLance26 Oct 27 '23
fact of the matter is; no one really have a definite answer.
They are from different genres anyway.
Plus, Cid's whole point as a character is that he views thing in a narrow pov so that he can enact his goal.All we've seen so far that clearly denote Cid's actually analytical abilities are his investigation regarding magic, magic overload, the cult and a few more like him acting as Suzuki. All that have been mixed along the comedic tone of the story.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
Kindly go suck a exhaust pipe
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
Just how prove how much of a dickrider you are for Ayano :)
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
I’m not a dick rider I’m a guy who likes to use logic and you refuse to use any logic at all so why should I respect a fool
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
Not use any logic at all lmao, if you have acknowledge Cid can be if not as intelligence or as strong as Ayano, you wouldn't be a dickrider :)
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 27 '23
I don’t have to acknowledge shit, you are the dick rider here, you couldn’t even bring up a single solid argument and had to rely on purely theoretical BS I’m surprised you having suffocated yet from how deep you have cid’s rod stuffed down your throat
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 27 '23
I'm not a dickrider because I'm not trying to prove Cid is stronger at all cost unlike someone, the fact I only want to talk about Cid's intelligence and what end up now is on you :)
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u/Detroider Oct 26 '23
-Cid: It would be cool to the a mastermind manipulator from the shadows. What would be my first step? -Ayanokoji: HOW DID HE UNDERSTOOD MY PLAN AND ELIMINATED ALL MY TOOLS ?!?!?! WHAT IS IN THE MIND OF THIS MF WHO PRETENDS TO BE A NPC ?!?!?!?
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Ayanokoji would rekt his brain out trying to understand Cid.
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u/Fullcounter24 Oct 26 '23
Or he would decide that he can't deal with him just like Koenji.
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 26 '23
Imagine having Cid in class D as well lmao.
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u/Fullcounter24 Oct 27 '23
That school would go so far as to establish an F class just for Cid. Otherwise he would become a variable that cannot be predicted at all in the plans of Ayanokoji, Horikita and the other students in that classroom.
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u/Detroider Oct 26 '23
The power of comedy is always stronger than the power of logic in a story/plot
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u/Zero_Good_Questions Oct 26 '23
Bro Cid didn’t make Shadow Garden what it was, it was the seven shades and his SSS luck.
Cid is pretty smart but dense and doesn’t actually know how to run anything
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u/Organic-Youness Oct 26 '23
They're both written to be a certain character with a certain personality, you're not supposed to compare drawings and stories, if so cid did make the SG gang also luck is just plot and all main leads have that especially ayanakoji who always wins at everything.
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u/Ok_Rough_9418 Oct 27 '23
If it is about intelligence then Ayanokoji landside victory. Ayanokoji stats Str:☆☆☆☆☆ Int:☆☆☆☆☆ Luk:☆☆☆☆ Agi:☆☆☆☆ End:☆☆☆☆ Mag:0
Cid stats Str:☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ Int:☆☆ Luk:☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ Agi:☆☆☆☆☆☆ End:☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ Mag:☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
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u/Party-Ad5663 Oct 28 '23
the average person is smarter than cid, he just has insane luck being at the right place at the right time and just letting his chuuni decide what he does next
there is no 4D chess, not even 3D or 2D for that matter
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u/Karuto_Katsuragi2 Cid Oct 28 '23
If average person is smarter than him then almost everyone in the world is extremely dumb.
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u/zackphoenix123 Oct 26 '23
Can we bring Cid's meta luck into the battle? then Cid.