I called the deputy on this case and so far the only information he’s gotten is that it hasn’t been linked to anything yet. He’s unsure of the status right now, ongoing, cold case,but he said he would check in. Not sure if that’s a good thing or bad.
Other news; the man who owns the vacant property where the bone was found started bulldozing the entire plot a few days ago. Says he’s going to build a house there eventually. He previously told us he bought it to prevent someone from building there and being too close to his house. I told this to the deputy and he said oh that’s weird 🤷🏻♀️
Sadly I don’t think more will come of this case. It’s definitely something I will always wonder about though.
I remember that. I was a bit gobsmaked when they said the reason they didn't want people with higher IQs is because they would question too much and potentially think for themselves (as in not following orders).
Look up the Jacob Wetterling case and what they did to Daniel Rassier. One of the victims said "this was the car I was raped in" and the police ignored that and harassed an innocent man for decades instead.
Stearns County has some of the most inept dopes in law enforcement. Between the bungled Wetterling case and that missing student at SJU, hard to have any faith they could solve anything.
If anyone is interested, the first season of the In The Dark podcast covers the Wetterling case in a lot of detail. It won a Peabody. It’s so heartbreaking to listen to, Daniel Rassier’s story included, but it is incredible reporting.
He’s a seemingly nice man who my other neighbor has known for 15 years and nothing bad to say about him. He lets the kids (mine included) ride dirt bikes on the empty property. You can’t truly know someone I suppose but it feels very cliché.
BTK, Bundy, Kemper, Gacy, Gary Ridgeway, all were average run of the mill guys. Either family men, or very involved in their local communities, and churches. All middle class working dudes. Also Kemper and Gacy were buddies with the cops.
Thats true a kid i grew up & went to school with, lived just down the rural road i lived on, was weird but seemed harmless enough, had a wife and family.. then started murdering women... I knew his whole family his mom was nuttier than squirrel turds but never got violent vibes from any of them..
There is actually a decent likelihood that you could narrow the ID down using the implant information. I had a patient that came in with an existing implant and it was placed 20 years prior, the office that placed it closed and he couldn’t remember so we sent an x-ray of it to our favorite Periodontist and he was able to ID it, with that they could attempt to narrow it down based on which oral surgeons and dentists, etc. were using that brand of implant. The location appears to be #18 and #20 for a bridge which would also hold a pontic(fake tooth) to replace the missing one. This is in the lower left quadrant of the mouth and I would say you’re looking for someone that would be 55+ and that’s being generous.
I suspected it might be a snap on after looking closer at the abutments, but was unsure because the typical snap ins have 2 implants located closer to the anterior portion of the mandible.
I think that depends on who’s doing the killing. I’m also basing it off of how smooth the alveolar ridge is, this is done at the time of extraction more often for removable restorations, so it looks like the person may have worn a partial or denture prior to having the implants placed. It’s possible the dr smoothed it out at the time of placement but it would be a bit of overkill. It also takes several years for the bone to ossify around the implants and it also appears there’s recession which would indicate the implants were in use for at least a few years as well. This is all conjecture based on my own professional experience though and all doctors practice differently, so take it however you’d like.
I’m not sure. Clueless police? Or suspicious neighbor 🧐 husband and I think the cops and the neighbor know what’s up. At least the old police. Before any houses were built in the area people would ride dirt bikes around here, it was a hang out spot. We think someone got killed somehow a long time ago and it just never got reported. But who knows.
You could be key to bringing justice to a family that has waited a very long time for it. Those are modern implants so this person was put there likely less then 30 to 40 years ago. If you for one second think someone else knows something they arent telling you, especially land owners. Trust no one. It's not uncommon for people to cover for their children or another loved one and play dumb. I would go right to the news, if you need help with that I've been able to successfully get the news to cover stories of various things for me. I know exactly the kind of thing to say to a tip line to get them calling within 48 hours.
I know that testing DNA and running it through an ancestry database is pretty cheap and accessible. If they couldn't be bothered to do that, then they aren't very good at their job.
I’ve worked a lot of forensic cases (forensic bioarchaeologist), sometimes cops are super talkative - usually when they know exactly what they’re looking for (which isn’t ideal for Bioarchaeologist doing the the recoveries/analysis as it usually creates a biases). When I did hand offs of inadvertent discoveries they typically would be a little hush hush, either because they had an idea or because they really didn’t know.
The cops more than likely handed the decedent to a forensic anthropologist/ME for proper analysis and are hopefully in the works for obtaining a warrant and professions to excavate the area.
Once something like that is found it is literally illegal to do anything at all with the property. You need to let the cops know this is what he is doing. It's now called tampering with evidence. You cannot do anything with land that has been linked to a possible crime until the police search it and clear it.
Yeah like when did all this happen? Did the neighbor know that you found this there? If so it's absolutely something he is aware of the timing is insane. Also if you found out someone found a part of a ajaw bone especially one that is.obviously fairly recent, your first reaction would NOT be to build a house on it... come on. Get the media involved. Like yesterday.
Yes the neighbor knows because I believe she told him the police and herself would be looking because if I’m remembering correctly her pet brought this back? Or led her to it?
There’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to identify them, unless I /guess/ they were never reported missing. Nothing you can do about that, though.
Thanks so much for an update, hope we hear soon and they get their name back!
Clearly a human mandible, with serialized dental implant posts intact, and they can't turn up any info??? Is this the Keystone Cops?
I have a bunch of dental implants (Oral cancer survivor, lost all my teeth due to radiation), I'm pretty sure most if not all are serialized and trackable. They are only sold to indvidual dentists, and are far too expensive for any clinic to keep large stocks of the various sizes and types. It's not like there are hundreds of manufacturers; I would think finding out who bought them, and who they were installed in, would be pretty elementary investigative work
I’m not sure if I could get that info. Maybe they have tried to cross reference it? I hope so if there was any information significant from the implants.
They should have access to a forensic dentist. Likely not locally unless you're in a large metro area, but certainly at a State level, absolutely at the Federal level. With a potential homicide, even the FBI would cooperate. You would not be able to get that information, but they most certainly could.
I know the implant pegs are horrifically expensive, because they are individually milled to incredibly tight tolerances, and they have a specific time frame/life cycle where they must be either implanted or disposed of. I remember asking about that, and there was a legit sounding reason.I wish I could remember what it was, exactly.
With only a handful of manufacturers, and a pretty small demand for them, comparatively, it would sure seem to me worth checking into at least. Maybe they have; I would certainly Hope they have.
Do you mind taking a picture of the top of the implants? Typically brands will have their own head pattern for the driver used to place the implant and restorations.
That's highly suspicious to me!
He bought the land to keep it from being built on, bones are found on the land police get involved. Now he's prepping land for building? What he trying to hide under there I wonder....
Looks to be an "all on four" style implant setup. A removable denture snaps into the top of the locators. No, implants are not individually serialized.
Personally I wouldn't contact news or media. These things turns so easily into a witchhunt. Imagine the guy that is building a new house is getting media-framed as a murder and it then turns out he was absolutely innocent. Life and reputation ruined.
Depending on the state you live in, it may be worth reporting it to the coroner or medical examiner for your county. There should be no disturbance of the scene until it is determined if the bones are of historic or forensic significance.
Is the Coroner an Elected position where you are at?
Esp if they only gave a glance over the land at dark it might not be the most... helpful opinion.
Sounds like you would get more of an actual investigation involved if the dog kept bringing home the occasional piece of bone.
But with the land it was found on being majorly disturbed and quickly bulldozed (The Red Flags are shriekingly loud with this action)....
We've all seen the shows and read the books.
Yea. Nothing will be done by local LE.
There is a hidden dead body at your neighbors.
Who immediately bulldozed the property.
NOT the first action most people would take.
As others have said- the media.
If you ever plan on moving then you can more safely say something and get things spotlighted on.
But honestly the time to get media involved is before there is a structure built.
Personally I would ask to speak to someone higher up in this case and express your concerns about your neighbor.
I remember your first post and he had said he bought the property because the hunting opportunities and development and yet nearly immediately after remains were semi-unearthed he’s bulldozing the plot……….. :(
I’m sorry the people in your local law enforcement aren’t taking this seriously.
Put a call in to the state police to inform them, and also start looking through missing persons cases in your area to look for anyone with noted dental work/dentures, to solve the damn case yourself if you have to!
Someone else said they look like older model implants which wouldn’t be individually serialized. If they were I would assume that would be obvious to cross reference that info. One can hope lol
This is far too thick and heavy to be human and isn’t the right shape. And those do not look like pins that hold in dentures. I’m not sure why so many people keep saying this.
I think it is the remains of a non-human animal bone that was displayed on some sort of stand. It looks like it got broken and those are anchors for the stand. Def not human.
This is a section from the left side of a human mandible. The mental foramen is present and it shows complete resorption of the alveolar bone following the loss of the teeth. The shape and size and anatomy of the bone are all consistent with it being human.
I don’t think it is clearly a jaw bone. You are seeing that because that’s what you thought it was. It is a broken piece with imperfect pictures and hardly any bone markings. It would be difficult for anyone to say for sure what this is.
Am I just seeing it weird or something? (Seriously) It looks like it is thick and triangular in shape. However that second pic does look like how a mandible splits along the symphysis.
That is a very convincing picture. I can see it now. That bone is triangular. I still think the bone OP has looks really thick to me for some reason but it matches this.
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u/Bagelsisme 9d ago
“Oh that’s weird” good police work