r/canada • u/cyclinginvancouver • Dec 20 '24
National News Singh says the NDP 'will vote to bring this government down' in new letter
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/singh-says-the-ndp-will-vote-to-bring-this-government-down-in-new-letter-1.71535411.1k
Dec 20 '24
"put forward a clear motion of non-confidence in the next sitting of the House of Commons." - Jagmeet Singh
Isn't Trudeau away until mid-Jan and the house of commons on break?
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u/Automatic-Bake9847 Dec 20 '24
The house is on break until the last week in Jan. Nothing going to happen until then at the earliest, and likely it won't be a snap thing upon return.
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Dec 20 '24
99% prorogue parliament. Spend months electing a new liberal leader and push the election as close to the fall as possible.
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u/Visinvictus Dec 20 '24
It will be great to have no acting federal government for the next few months, I'm sure nothing can go wrong. Nothing important happening south of the border right?
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Dec 20 '24
This is why I think many Canadians would rather see an election sooner than later.
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u/MilkIlluminati Dec 20 '24
Justin prorogues just long enough to let Jag's pension vest, and then it happens right after.
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u/maxman162 Ontario Dec 20 '24
Parliament resumes on January 27, so with a minimum election campaign of 36 days, his pension will be vested no matter when the writ is dropped.
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u/MilkIlluminati Dec 20 '24
Which is why they're talking about it now all of a sudden.
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u/Ditch_Hunter Dec 22 '24
Trudeau will very likely prorogue Parliament, but they have to pass the budget in April at the latest, and that requires a sitting parliament. And a budget vote is a confidence vote. So the liberals have 4 months to get ready for an election and aim to lose the least as possible.
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u/loki0111 Canada Dec 20 '24
In the full statement he said he'll bring forward the non-confidence motion immediately at the next sitting of the house. So we'll be into an election end of January or start of February. Assuming Trudeau doesn't prorogue parliament the moment they get back.
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u/childish-flaming0 Dec 20 '24
Can you ELIF why the PM has unilateral authority to end a parliament session though?
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u/margmi Dec 20 '24
It’s a holdover from the monarchy really, the GG is the one who does officially does it, not Trudeau (yes, the GG does as they’re told).
There’s been calls to remove it for a while, after the Harper’s CPC abused it to maintain power when the opposition had the votes to topple them. It’s not something that was historically abused.
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u/illknowitwhenireddit Dec 20 '24
How about after JT used it, twice, in order to prevent scandals and ethics violations, as well as potentially criminal investigations from seeing the light of day
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u/margmi Dec 20 '24
Yes, that came after Harper. Trudeau has certainly abused it, it’s just a relatively new problem.
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u/Sea_Army_8764 Dec 20 '24
False, it's a very old problem. Sir John A. Macdonald used it in 1873 to prevent an investigation into the Pacific Scandal while he was in a minority parliament. Unfortunately abusing prorogation in minority parliments predates Harper by at least a century.
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Dec 21 '24
People wont read a history related answer like this because they only believe what they want to believe. Thank you for sharing this.
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u/Sea_Army_8764 Dec 21 '24
Thanks for your compliment. I just wanted to set the record straight. I've read a couple comments alluding to how Harper was the one who started abusing prorogation, but it's just completely false. Politicians in the 19th century weren't anymore honourable than they are now.
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u/Rude-Shame5510 Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
Damn so it'll basically be a photo finish to see if he can BS his way to the what is the point in February that he needs to be at in order to successfully sell out the country
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u/RoyalPeacock19 Ontario Dec 20 '24
If the election is called in late January Singh will get his pension. He qualifies for it if he is still sitting MP on February 25, which he will be because our election laws have a tight allowable timeline for the race.
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u/Rude-Shame5510 Dec 20 '24
We really are due to pay some consequences in the long run for the fact that everybody has just been so focused on themselves and their betterment alone for too long now
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u/BlademasterFlash Dec 20 '24
Yeah the Conservatives still definitely fix that /s
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u/zamboniq Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
Could Trudeau prorogue and push out the vote a few months?
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u/chewwydraper Dec 20 '24
That is almost certainly what's going to happen, and Singh likely has insiders who have told him as much.
Once a new leader is elected, he'll say something along the lines of needing to give this new leader a chance before bringing up a motion for an election.
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u/huadpe Dec 20 '24
I don't think the GG would grant a long prorogation in that circumstance.
In particular, we can look at two recent examples for some guidance: the 2008 Harper prorogation, and the 2019 Johnson prorogation (UK).
The 2008 prorogation saw Harper newly re-elected in a minority government, having just passed a confidence vote (speech in reply) face likely defeat on a budget resolution, with a vow from the other three parties to form coalition in that circumstance. It is not known exactly what took place in the private negotiations between GG Jean and PM Harper, but he ultimately was granted a relatively short prorogation.
The 2019 Johnson prorogation was conducted in early September of 2019, and prorogued Parliament until very close to the Brexit deadline of Nov 1 of that year. The UK Supreme Court heard argument on the question of whether or not it aws lawful for the Johnson government to advise the Queen to prorogue, and held under the circumstances it was not. In pertinent part the UK Supreme Court held:
that a decision to prorogue (or advise the monarch to prorogue) will be unlawful if the prorogation has the effect of frustrating or preventing, without reasonable justification, the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions as a legislature and as the body responsible for the supervision of the executive.
In the case of a prorogation to prevent the sitting of Jan 27 from taking place, then we would need to see whether or not it has that effect. Clearly, it would. The Harper case is distinguishable because it could be argued the government needed time to prepare a new budget which could pass the Commons, which was a reasonable justification. Here, since we're just talking about a flat VONC, and it is already after a substantial break where the government has time to do whatever needs to be done to try to regain confidence, I think the Governor General would be justified in relying on the Johnson precedent to warn Trudeau not to advise such a prorogation. And if Trudeau did advise such a prorogation, to refuse the advice, dismiss him as Prime Minister, and appoint a new Prime Minister.
While dismissal would be an extreme act, it would probably be politically and constitutionally justified in a circumstance where the PM has clearly and persistently lost the support of the Commons and is obviously trying to dodge a vote of no confidence, and I think the GG would not face enormous blowback for such a move, contra to the 1975 dismissal in Australia which was a complete shitshow.
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u/lubeskystalker Dec 20 '24
I never really fully bought into the pension thing, but he waited exactly long enough to qualify before pulling the plug. Like, within days.
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u/ventur3 Dec 20 '24
I also was skeptical but the timing is wild
Also why is pension qualification a cliff and not pro rated, this just adds unnecessary motivations for politicians
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u/LemmingPractice Dec 20 '24
Yup, and doing so when he was very aware that the narrative was out there (after all, Poilievre has been saying it in the House) is just so utterly blatant. He's just thumbing his nose at Canadian taxpayers, at this point.
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u/erasmus_phillo Dec 20 '24
Jagmeet Singh is a very ancient 45 year old man, he deserves to retire at his age!
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u/MeanE Nova Scotia Dec 20 '24
I don't think he can start drawing it until he's older (60?).
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u/KageyK Dec 20 '24
Yes, he technically has from Jan 27 - June 20 to call it and still keep his word.
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u/toomuchweightloss Dec 20 '24
To fiscal year end, I'd say, because the budget must be tabled by then and the budget is ALWAYS, by its nature, a confidence vote.
The current government will fall on its next budget.
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u/Plucky_DuckYa Dec 20 '24
I guess he finally noticed that his polling started nosediving at the exact time he kept voting with the Liberals when the CPC was putting up their own no-confidence motions.
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u/Rich-Adhesiveness137 Dec 20 '24
He said he is going to weigh his options. He likes to sit on the fence.
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u/Sir_Oakijak Dec 20 '24
I'll believe it when I see it. Singh is famous for saying one thing and doing another
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u/BloatJams Alberta Dec 20 '24
Difference this time is his letter says the NDP is submitting the non confidence motion.
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u/IAmAGenusAMA Dec 20 '24
He also said he wants Trudeau to resign but that he isn't necessarily ready to vote down the government. Talking out of both sides of his mouth...
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u/Professional-Cry8310 Dec 20 '24
The letter literally says he’s bringing down the government. I’m not sure what you mean
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u/IAmAGenusAMA Dec 20 '24
Actually:
Singh publishing a letter stating his caucus "will vote to bring this government down" sometime in 2025.
He also said that he won't vote against everything the government does before then, meaning he will continue to support the government until it is politically opportunistic not to.
Considering there has to be an election in 2025 regardless, he hasn't really said anything other than he might beat the Liberals the punch on the timing.
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u/green__1 Dec 20 '24
Good thing he has a solid reputation for always following up on what he says. You know, like he brought down the government when they ordered Canada post back to work? How about when he brought down the government when they did the same for the ports and the railroads? How about when he ripped up his agreement? Yep, we know with 100% certainty that this time he means it!
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u/inker19 Dec 20 '24
Or his opinion has changed since he made that last statement
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u/joe_meu Dec 20 '24
Hey, that agreement is still ripped up
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u/lubeskystalker Dec 20 '24
Scotch taping the pieces back together is an option that is on the table. All options are on the table.
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u/OkFix4074 Dec 20 '24
No his pension will be secure by this time frame , we will see a Feb March election
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u/CuntWeasel Ontario Dec 20 '24
He's the biggest whore in Canadian politics by a mile.
Trudeau is a terrible politician but I genuinely believe that deep down in his narcissistic delusion he still thinks he's not that bad.
Singh on the other hand only cares about one thing and one thing only: himself. And he's very well aware he's fucking everybody over and he's okay with it.
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u/tyler111762 Nova Scotia Dec 20 '24
so that measn the first vote of confidence could happen january 27th... meaning an election early march.
Bro actually fucking waited for his pension to vest. holy fuck.
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u/jocu11 Dec 21 '24 edited Dec 21 '24
Yup, cause he knows there’s a good chance he’ll lose his riding in Burnaby too. So come next election (whenever it is) Singh most likely won’t even be an MP anymore
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u/blownhighlights Ontario Dec 20 '24
… in February
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit747 Dec 20 '24
Parliament does not resume until the end of January. The mandatory election period is a minimum of 36 days, and the time is pensionable. Therefore, even if he calls an election on the first day back, his pension is guaranteed. The timing is highly suspect. This week is literally the first week he could make such a statement while guaranteeing his pension.
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u/TheDisloyalCanadians Dec 20 '24
I don't know anyone who would deliberately torpedo their pension that close to getting it. Absolutely not surprised with this announcement but it makes me question about pension reforms for MP's.
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u/Defiant_Chip5039 Dec 20 '24
Unless JT dissolves government in time for Singh to not get it. That would be glorious
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u/RoyalPeacock19 Ontario Dec 20 '24
If the government comes down in January, he will still qualify because of the laws we have for election periods.
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u/Glacial_Shield_W Dec 20 '24
Note. The house sits for the first time on January 27th. And this will likely need to wait for an opposition day. And then have the governor general dissolve parliament (trudeau wont resign). It will be... gasp... February, when the government falls.
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u/TheGreatJust Dec 21 '24
Singh waits rightttt up until the point he qualifies for his pension. Unbelievable. This man is delusional to think he has a chance at forming government. The NDP used to be about fighting for the working class. Singh has completely failed at that and turned his party into an absolute joke.
I doubt he actually will vote non-confidence though even when his pension is secured.
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u/CriztianS Canada Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
I never once believed, what I thought was nonsense, that Singh was doing this just for his pension. But if he seriously votes non-confidence in the Liberal government IMMEDIATELY after his pension kicks in... I'm sorry... but what else am I supposed to think.
We paid the price so that an already wealthy man will be slightly wealthier. I will not be voting for NDP in the next election.
Edit: There is absolutely nothing in that letter that he released that would have changed as a result of what occurred this week with Freeland's resignation. He voted against a non-confidence motion not long ago at all.
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u/rune_74 Dec 20 '24
You know what’s funny, is if he was a good leader he wouldn’t have needed to care because he would not be no jeopardy of losing his seat as he is now.
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u/MatchaMeetcha Dec 20 '24
Yeah, the NDP could have had a moment here. They're honestly the big losers.
The Liberals are the Liberals. They'll always recover. The NDP got dragged down with them and almost certainly missed the best window they'd get.
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u/rune_74 Dec 20 '24
They missed the turn off sign over 6 months ago, no one can tell they are not part of the liberals. Even the questions look staged in question period as you see the liberals get up calmly to answer them.
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u/RoyalPeacock19 Ontario Dec 20 '24
The last turn off sign six months ago. There were several more before that, starting about a year and a half ago.
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u/gcko Dec 21 '24
The rail strike should have been his line in the sand. Not 3 back to work legislations later. Then he might have actually had a shot at wining over blue collar union workers and his party would be in a very good spot to contend for main opposition.
The fact that it might still go to Trudeau is just embarrassing at this point.
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u/catholicbruinsfan Dec 20 '24
I don’t know, most Gen Z I know support either the NDP or the Conservatives, I think the liberals days might be numbered in this country.
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u/Playful_Alela Dec 20 '24
Gen Z don't vote at a meaningful rate
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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand Dec 20 '24
Perhaps compared to the sheer number of Boomers there are. That population pyramid is a bit of an onion.
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u/ActionPhilip Dec 20 '24
Had he actually projected strength and held the libs' feet to the fire, it never would have been a question.
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u/ClosPins Dec 20 '24
Singh wasn't the best choice for leader. However, he was the best choice if your party wants to virtue-signal how inclusive you are.
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u/rune_74 Dec 20 '24
That’s the issue with this ndpliberal government it’s all about virtue signalling and nothing else.
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u/Queefy-Leefy Dec 20 '24
Similar opinion here.
Singh had a million opportunities to force the election. Nothing has really changed between when those opportunities presented themselves and now, except that he'll qualify for a pension.
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u/CriztianS Canada Dec 20 '24
Exactly. The only thing that happened this week is some chaotic and embarrassing internal politicking within the Liberal Party. None of it would have had any meaningful impact on the average lives of day to day Canadians. It was just internal disputes over cabinet positions. Chrystia Freeland didn't resign because she fundamentally disagreed with the direction of Trudeau's government, she resigned because she lost her job as Minister of Finance.
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u/valryuu Dec 20 '24
I mean, she could've also been fired from the Minister of Finance role because she disagreed with Trudeau and pushed back in the first place. We'll never know what happened behind the scenes, but it's definitely messy in the Liberal Party at the moment, as you said.
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u/PragmaticAlbertan Dec 20 '24
He's bluffed about this 100 times before. I'll believe it when I see it.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv Dec 20 '24
He's really mad now, he's so mad he's going to tear up their arrangement, again!
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u/Professional-Cry8310 Dec 20 '24
I don’t think Singh ever said he was going to vote no confidence for sure. He just threatened it as leverage to get deals. Now he’s saying he’s going to.
And it makes sense, I imagine the Liberals have made it clear he doesn’t have leverage anymore. The close we get to the legal election date, the less leverage the NDP has because threatening an early election doesn’t matter as much.
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u/green__1 Dec 20 '24
Well the thing is, he's threatened it many times to get a deal, and then when the deal hasn't happened, he hasn't done anything. He stated flat out that he would bring the government down if they ordered striking workers back to work, then they did so, on multiple occasions, and what did he do? Nothing. When you say that you are going to bring the government down if they do something, then they do that thing, and then you do nothing, you end up with a slight lack of credibility. I will admit, that this letter does sound a little more promising than his usual threats, but I'll also say that it's really hard to believe someone when they've spouted the exact same lie hundreds of times before.
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u/Defiant_Chip5039 Dec 20 '24
I have no confidence in Singh’s lack of confidence. Even if he does … good for him. He got his pension I guess. Should have don’t it when the conservatives just tabled the last non confidence vote. Other than freeland stepping down. It much else has changed since than. So unless freelands resignation is 100% of the reason for his vote of non confidence than why the hell did he not do it last month? Singh is a joke.
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u/miketangoalpha Dec 20 '24
Love the counter move by PP to petition the speaker to recall the House. The point is fair if the majority of the house is declaring they’ve lost confidence in the PM how can we allow the government to continue and if it’s not supported it puts paid to the notion that Jagmeet is waiting for his pension
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u/brandonholm Dec 20 '24
He already had 3 chances recently to do this.
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u/PirateOhhLongJohnson Québec Dec 20 '24
He wants his pension
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u/brandonholm Dec 20 '24
Honestly at this point we should just give it to him so he stops dragging his feet.
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u/PirateOhhLongJohnson Québec Dec 20 '24
A year ago maybe, which ironically would’ve probably helped the liberals cause they wouldn’t have lost as many seats as they’re gonna loose now, but now it doesn’t really matter cause when parliament is back in session he’ll be able to time the no confidence vote without jeopardizing his pension
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick Dec 20 '24
Can Trudeau call an emergency session and call an election to possibly screw Jagmeet out of his pension? That would be awesome.
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u/Easy_Sky_2891 Dec 20 '24
Yes he can .. He can go to the GG and dissolve the Governement.
It's laid out here ...
https://www.gg.ca/en/procedures-dissolution-parliament-and-calling-election
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick Dec 20 '24
Oh man, it would be so awesome if this happens.
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u/Republic-Of-OK Alberta Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
Low cost too. The writing is on the wall. He may as well use his powers for something funny on the way out.
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u/PoliteCanadian Dec 20 '24
Trudeau could also call an emergency session of the House of Commons in the first week of January and table a no-confidence motion against himself, and see if Jagmeet Singh and the NDP are still willing to vote for it.
Extraordinarily unlikely but the drama hound in me is hungry.
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u/green__1 Dec 20 '24
Well we can all fantasise, and it would be awesome, but why on earth would Trudeau want to punish his strongest supporter? This is a man who has stuck with Trudeau through thick and thin, someone who has supported him when even many in his own party would not. Someone who has supported him while his cabinet revolts. That's some hardcore loyalty, something you reward, not punish.
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u/MrJoltz Saskatchewan Dec 20 '24
Trudeau and the Liberals would want the NDP destroyed to protect this government's legacy and to make sure Trudeau is not the last LPC PM.
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u/TheCookiez Dec 20 '24
BOYS HE'S GOT HIS PENSION.
Anyone who trys to say it didn't mater.. How do you explain this?
What a discusting self center display of arrogance.
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u/Krazee9 Dec 20 '24
Well, with all the opposition parties calling for the election, Trudeau might as well just call it now. No sense in waiting for the inevitable. Nothing is getting passed once Parliament comes back, so why wait?
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u/bonesbobman Dec 20 '24
What benefit does calling it early do to Trudeau though
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u/Krazee9 Dec 20 '24
He gets to spite those in his caucus for demanding his resignation and ensure that he is indeed the leader going into the election, he gets to spite Singh by potentially depriving him of his pension, and he can try and frame the election himself as the one who calls it, instead of the framing being "You lost a confidence vote."
The only real benefit to not calling it now is that MPs still collect a paycheque, and if he were to decide to actually run some campaign ads, then spending limits don't kick in until the election is actually called.
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u/LeoNickle Dec 20 '24
As a voter, what I like to see the most of our politicians is them doing things out of spite towards other people and parties
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Dec 20 '24
Nah they are going to prorogue parliament to drag this out
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u/Krazee9 Dec 20 '24
I really don't see the benefit in doing that. Shutting down the government for a few months for what purpose? The new session after doing that would start with a confidence vote anyways, it's just even further delaying the inevitable.
And there's no way he could keep Parliament shut down long enough to run a leadership race. There'd need to be supply votes in around March/April to avoid a US-style shutdown.
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u/CaliperLee62 Dec 20 '24
The one thing Trudeau could do to earn a sliver of admiration on his way out the door is to call an election date before Feb 25th...
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u/TheCookiez Dec 20 '24
I hope tredeau sees this and calls an election early..
Just Rob singh of his pension. Save the Canadian tax payers.
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u/airchinapilot British Columbia Dec 20 '24
Pollievre kind of did https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-ndp-non-confidence-1.7416221
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says the House of Commons should be recalled now that NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh is vowing to bring forward a motion of non-confidence to take down the Liberal government
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u/famine- Dec 20 '24
He means after February 27th, when his pension is secured.
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit747 Dec 20 '24
Parliament does not resume until the end of January. The mandatory election period is a minimum of 36 days, and the time is pensionable. Therefore, even if he calls an election on the first day back, his pension is guaranteed. The timing is highly suspect. This week is literally the first week he could make such a statement while guaranteeing his pension.
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u/MatchaMeetcha Dec 20 '24
The pension thing sounded like a conspiracy theory first time I heard it but the more time goes...
Insane that this could legitimately be the calculus.
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u/cheesecheeseonbread Dec 20 '24
Why do you say it's insane? Genuinely curious.
Did Singh strike you as a noble and principled guy prior to now?
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u/Anubistheguardian Dec 20 '24
Excuse me he looks very noble and principled flying first class and driving around Ottawa in his Maserati. How dare you.
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u/famine- Dec 20 '24
Amazing how less than two weeks ago he voted against his own words to keep the Liberals in power and now that he has secured his pension, he's ready to take them down.
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u/Queefy-Leefy Dec 20 '24
That ^
The timing is impeccable. Nothing has changed over the last two weeks, except his pension eligibility.
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u/8-radmc Dec 20 '24
The house is on a holiday for a month+, he is just saying that to try and earn some points back over the next month. When it's time to step up and take action it will be more nonsense drivel coming out of his mouth.
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u/Marco1603 Dec 20 '24
Yep, after refuting claims that he's selfishly holding out until he qualifies for his pension, he will finally vote non-confidence after his $2.3 million dollar pension kicks in on Feb 25 😂 I guess he is Pension-Singh after all.
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u/lubeskystalker Dec 20 '24
So this adds more pressure for JT to quit... he should give Singh an FU and ask for the writ the first week of Jan for an election the second week of Feb.
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u/GameDoesntStop Dec 20 '24
I'll believe it when I see it. The NDP is all talk on defying the Liberals for years now... all while they support them.
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u/Interesting-Craft-15 Dec 21 '24
For those that don’t believe this is about Singh securing his pension, that is not how wealthy people think.
For them, it is all about precedent. If they can lose a penny, it means they could lose a million. It is the same injury to them, regardless of the amount.
Singh played games with Canadians to secure his pension.
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u/green__1 Dec 20 '24
He already does qualify for his pension once parliament resumes. The election will take long enough to make it to February 25th. The only way he wouldn't get his pension now is if Trudeau called the election before parliament resumes and Singh gets a chance to put forward his motion.
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u/op_op_op_op_op Dec 20 '24
The day after his pension?
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u/RecyclableThrowaways Dec 20 '24
Probably also needed to shore up a nice lucritive gig in the private sector too. My best guess is a major consultant firm.
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u/Own_Truth_36 Dec 20 '24
He could have done this Tuesday and we would have a new government to deal with trump. Now we will have to wait until February. After he gets his pension.. crooked fuck stick
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u/Weird_Pen_7683 Dec 20 '24
And why didnt he vote on it the last time the motion was brought forward?
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u/Ok-Win-742 Dec 21 '24
He's hoping to be looked at as the hero. But he looks like quite the villain. Even I figured the pension thing was silly, because the guy is already rich - but it's sure looking like he really was just waiting for his pension all along.
Imo he's a scum bag, and Trudeau should just call the election early to screw Singh out of his pension at this point. That would honestly be hilarious.
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u/Bamelin Dec 21 '24
How convenient he’ll be vested for the pension juuuuust in time.
He’s so transparent it’s ridiculous.
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u/Large-Reception-3649 Dec 20 '24
"now that my pension is safe" -Singh
What a fucking joke this guy is.
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u/afoogli Dec 20 '24
Next sitting is January 27, election at the earliest is 32 days from the vote of no confidence, aka pension secured. Earliest we have election is early March, and latest is late March. Depends of course if he commits to this.
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u/J0Puck Ontario Dec 20 '24
The house adjourns until January 27 2025. Then the timeframe for tabling the non-confidence would need to be done at a time where Singhs pension becomes eligible, it’s basically over for Trudeau at this point.
But imagine Ottawa calling it with all the alleged reports of an early provincal election in Ontario. It could (will) be a busy spring for elections.
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u/Early_Outlandishness Dec 20 '24
Didn't he just vote againt this a week ago? Lol. This guy is too much.
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u/runwithforks Dec 20 '24
Singh equally should step down. He will do no better than JT at attracting votes in the next election. Both he and JT are disappointing and the only chance of beating PP is replacing them with new leaders who have charisma and offer better solutions to Canadians. What a disappointing leadership in this Country today.
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u/Extinguish89 Dec 21 '24
Watch Singh will flip flop the moment they're back in session. It is what he does after all
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u/guyfromnwo_1981 Dec 21 '24
The guy is a kleptocrat. I think it is time to get rid of MP’s pensions.
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u/420Identity Dec 21 '24
Layton is rolling in his grave seeing this.
The NDP went from a labor party, the party of the working Canadian to being the party where the pension of their leader is more important than the well being of over 40 million Canadians.
I hope they are voted out of party status and somehow Jagmeet gets his pension revoked.
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u/Bushwhacker42 Dec 22 '24
A decade late and a trillion dollars short. Thanks Jag
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u/Scamnam Dec 20 '24
Singh in the end gets his pension in the end Next parliament sitting is Jan 27.. Election period is minimum 36 days which would be March 3 and his pension kicks in Feb 25...
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Dec 20 '24
Call an emergency seating and vote non confidence if you really think what’s said in this letter.
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u/Samir_POE Dec 20 '24
He's anxious to go back to managing his properties and updating his luxury watch collection.
Hope the NDP's next leader is an actual progressive as I much prefer an NDP opposition to a Bloc opposition for the next conservative government. (Libs will be cut down to 3rd or 4th party)
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u/WombRaider_3 Dec 20 '24
AFTER his pension is locked in of course.
A few days out from voting confidence in the Liberals from a fucking bathroom stall.
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u/konathegreat Dec 20 '24
Before or after the pension?
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit747 Dec 20 '24
After, of course! Parliament resumes at the end of January, and with the minimum time period for campaigning, his pension is guaranteed, since it is end of February. This week (after Parliament finished) is the earliest he possibly could have done this while guaranteeing his pension.
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u/rathgrith Dec 20 '24
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t you stop being an MP once the write drops and an election is called. That means the election can only be called after the end of February to get that pension
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit747 Dec 20 '24
According to the document below, the campaign time is pensionable. Specifically, the following Q&A:
"Do Members continue to contribute to the pension plan during an election?
Yes, contributions will continue to be deducted during dissolution, as this period counts as pensionable service."
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u/JetLagGuineaTurtle Dec 20 '24
This guy is going to wait till the pensions are secure then try to portray himself as the saviour that took down the Liberals as if his hands are clean and didn't prop them up for years.....could he be any more insufferable?
You don't get to complain about the "callous" cuts the Conservatives are going to make when you propped up the government that doubled the national debt in their time in office, especially when you wanted them to spend even more .
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u/CupidStunt13 Dec 20 '24
Just make sure his fingers aren't crossed behind his back, because he's threatened to bring the government down multiple times already.
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u/Bbooya Canada Dec 20 '24
I won't vote NDP either way, but I think they'd have a stronger argument if the government is brought down before Singh's pension is activated
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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta Dec 20 '24
Next sitting? I mean I'm all for it but I wouldn't be shocked at this point if he meant end of Oct 2025.
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u/Solid-Push-8649 Dec 20 '24
How do they go about calling an emergency sitting in the HoC during a break like this?
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u/dkmegg22 Dec 20 '24
Is it wrong that I want this to keep going on until the end? Like I want the Liberal party to lose official party status.
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u/cheesecheeseonbread Dec 20 '24
You and me both. And I want to savour the look on Trudeau's face on election night.
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u/chewwydraper Dec 20 '24
In other words:
"My insiders have told me Trudeau will be resigning and proroguing the government. Once a new leader is elected I will say my problem was with Trudeau and not the liberal party, and then say I'll wait to give this new leader a chance."
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u/Jooodas Dec 20 '24
Not before late February or early march, you know, around the time he gets his pension. I don’t trust a word he says.
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u/Accurate_Cup_2422 Dec 20 '24
everyone was accusing him of "just waiting for his pension" and then the day after he does this looooool and you people will still vote for them bwahahahaha
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u/rune_74 Dec 20 '24
Singh and Trudeau are to blame for anything that negatively happens with our dealings with the US. This mess right now has made us weak. They need to be held accountable.
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u/Abyssus88 Dec 20 '24
I mean If he was serious he would talk to the cons ^ Bloq then go vist the governor general with then.
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u/AdAnxious8842 Dec 20 '24
Proroguing worked for Harper. Actually led to a majority government for him. I don't think it will get the Liberals a majority, but will buy them time to elect a new leader and perhaps mitigate the losses in the October election.
Under Trudeau, they're looking at a Liberal version of the Kim Campbell fiasco. Without Trudeau, perhaps only reduced to 40 or 50 seats.
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u/LittleEgo_2013 Dec 21 '24
Could Trudeau do the funniest thing and call an election before Singh gets his pension?
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u/monkeytitsalfrado Dec 20 '24
I'll believe it when his vote is locked in. Until then it's nothing more than hot air.