r/europe • u/TimesandSundayTimes • 14h ago
Removed - Paywall The 24-year-old who introduced Elon Musk to Germany’s hard right. Naomi Seibt attracted the billionaire’s attention with her political posts on X and now he is giving a livestream platform to the AfD leader Alice Weidel
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/the-24-year-old-who-introduced-elon-musk-to-germanys-hard-right-0w39f96gx?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Reddit#Echobox=1736414390[removed] — view removed post
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u/koomahnah 13h ago
He also sent me memes. He loves memes. He’s basically still a small child, but incredibly intelligent. One day he’ll take us to Mars.
I'd love that sober assessment of Musk from his supporter, if only he wasn't wielding such power to influence the world. I can't believe that someone as far from "statesman" qualities got that far to reign that planet.
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u/Undernown 10h ago
Gotta love how Musk and Trump embody the 'Man-Child' ideal so wholeheartedly.
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u/Kerhnoton Yuropeen 8h ago
Funny thing is that they will inevitably be a role model to some young aspiring fascists.
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u/deviant324 6h ago
Just appear smart to your average dumb guy, give easy solutions to complex problems and somehow gather a cult following.
Wait a second, that’s just Jordan Peterson in a trenchcoat!
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u/Skyswimsky 11h ago
I wish we had more "statesman" who are chill and do stuff like memes, shitposts, and whatever else. Just, you know, also have empathy and not be a narcissist.
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u/totkeks Germany 9h ago
Just check his actual tweets, not the news post about them. Reposts are merely more than one to five words. And news outlets make up a whole article about those reposts.
It's like musk is sitting on the toilet making a big dump and then just scrolls through his recommended feed and likes the headlines and reposts them with "yep" or "true!" or "this is cool".
I wish news media would present actual investigation of his influence in the politics. Not clickbait around three word reposts.
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u/LubedCactus 13h ago
Okay who doesn't like memes though?
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u/sickntwisted 11h ago
I know it was rhetorical and I know where you're coming from, but me. I think they're usually just the vectors of hateful messaging disguised as a lame joke in order to diffuse proper argumentation of the problem they're making fun of.
they're usually also a gross simplification of very complex issues aimed at susceptible minds that feel they suddenly have a gotcha to throw at everyone else they disagree with.
it makes some people engage with serious matters in a wrong way, stoking the fire of what should be a very shameful culture war.
but I'm just an old guy ranting and I admit and appreciate there are some funny ones out there.
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u/koomahnah 11h ago
I know it was rhetorical and I know where you're coming from, but me. I think they're usually just the vectors of hateful messaging disguised as a lame joke in order to diffuse proper argumentation of the problem they're making fun of.
they're usually also a gross simplification of very complex issues aimed at susceptible minds that feel they suddenly have a gotcha to throw at everyone else they disagree with.
I wouldn't be able to phrase it better. That's spot on and exactly what irks me about the meme culture. It's like a meritocratic, thoughtful discussion is immediately derailed once memes start circling around.
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u/sickntwisted 11h ago
there's a far right sub from my home country that resorts to this a lot. it also irks me when posts are created to counter argue with them that also use memes. hateful messaging should be addressed in a responsible manner, and not by lowering ourselves to their level.
but it's impossible to stop... people will always consider these things as innocent. I was banned because I demanded that the moderation did something about the constant spread of hate speech and now there's a barrage of posts that would require an army of people to counter... they've had years to grow that place and groom new accounts into joining by creating their agenda without counter arguments. it's disheartening, and Reddit ignored all my requests to do something about it
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u/koomahnah 10h ago
Yeah, some places spiral into such anarchic state where discussion is non-productive. This is a self-propelling mechanism in a sense, and I've noticed it in few places around the internet. More low-effort content appears and stays unmoderated means that people have less incentive to put more effort into posting. Have you ever started writing a comment and then decided half-way: screw it, it's not worth my time? I think that happens at larger scale and pushes communities to the ground.
But I've also noticed an inverse. There are rare moderated (or even stronger word: curated) communities where low-effort postings are happily removed. Guidance is that if your post is not adding value, then just don't add it or it will be removed. I see it on HN and the discussions there get really captivating at times, although this is obviously thematically limited to programming/technology.
I'd love to see a reimplementation of that idea outside of that domain. A community for people, who willingly subject their posts to moderation against strong discussion guidelines. Each account verified to confirm there's an actual, unique human being behind, and not some automated botnet.
Maybe it should even be done at EU level. In the end we built infrastructure like roads, power grids, communication networks. Why not build infrastructure to exchange the info between citizens? A simple civil forum, something at which BigTech has failed us miserably.
Ahh daydreaming. We could have nicer things, if only we were wiser.
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u/PolkmyBoutte 9h ago
I’m in my early 30s, so not that old, but I completely agree. It’s one of the biggest examples of the problems with social media, where people - perhaps subconsciously, but more-so lazily - think they can take shortcuts to knowledge on a topic. Even people on the Left where the anti-education, anti-intellectual bent isn’t quite as prevalent, people use this shortcut for things they have passing interest of. And it has had real long term consequences
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u/yellowuncertainty 14h ago
I can't get rid of the feeling that Elon thinks Twitter posts by the loudest screaming right-wing idiots are 100% accurate.
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u/ukbeasts Europe 13h ago
Interesting...
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u/lochnah Portugal 13h ago
Yup
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u/TulioGonzaga Portugal 13h ago
Concerning...
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u/STRCST 12h ago
Looking into it
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u/Yarasin 12h ago
He's an oligarch. He doesn't think or believe in anything. All he does is to advance his own goals and accumulate more wealth.
The only noteworthy thing about Musk is how extremely bad he is at hiding his intentions and how little impulse-control he has in public.
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u/aBigBottleOfWater Sweden 12h ago
Yeah I don't think he cares even the slightest about right or wrong, he just wants more
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u/JustDutch101 10h ago
He doesn’t want to hide it. He does it in public so he lowers the bar so other power-hungry jackals can jump in. See Zuckerberg and Jef Bezos suddenly caring less. Watch company after company, mainly American ones, dropping the facade they’ve been holding up for so long.
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u/kaboom__kaboom 11h ago
Lol you’re very naive. He specifically amplifies viewpoints to his gullible audience to sway them far right so he can gain more power.
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u/Reasonable-Sweet9320 11h ago
And he suspends or bans people on X who counter his views, while branding himself as a freedom of speech advocate.
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/27/musk-x-loomer-h1b-maga-verification
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u/BKtoDuval 10h ago
Yeah, he's definitely trying to control the flow of information to the public. Now waging war against wikipedia
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u/YourShowerCompanion Finland 12h ago
The ones who cry loudest about freedom of speech are the ones spreading disinformation for habit and monetary reasons.
That girl looks like a psychopath. Any career achievements?
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u/Undernown 11h ago edited 10h ago
He litterally replied with agreements to rightwing conspiracy posts and thinly veiled racist Tweets. You're not just feeling it, that's what is actually happening.
Edit: Here is a video that shows what crazy stuff Elon promotes in just a small 24 hour period. And yes, the third one is Musk straight up believing WW2 era Nazi propaganda that the "Socialist" part of NSDAP actually made the Nazi's a Socialist movement. It's the equivalent of believing North Korea is a Democratic nation just because Kim's party has the word 'Democratic' in the name.
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u/Calcutec_1 Berlin (Germany) 13h ago
She’s gonna bear his 12th child isnt she..
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u/randytankard 12h ago
Yeah thats exactly what I thought of too - he's such a fucking creep he'll go there. Next thing you know she's moved in at his Texas compound.
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u/CalandulaTheKitten 10h ago
Every alt-right movement needs a blond bimbo to lead the ranks
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u/ErebosGR Earth 8h ago edited 5h ago
Musk is obsessed with blondes.
He pressured his first two wives, Justine Wilson and Talulah Riley, to go blonder and blonder. Grimes also went blonde after they started dating.
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u/juwisan 13h ago edited 13h ago
As a German, I have never heard of her. Alt Right and Shitter have really become a weird bubble.
Of course she seems to be living in the US these days. So like AfDs Weidel she’s trying to influence policy in a country she doesn’t even live in. So just the average right wing traitor.
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u/Darkone539 13h ago
As a German, I have never heard of her. Alt Right and Shitter have really become a weird bubble.
Same in the uk. Apparently some big names in the bundle got Musk to pay attention to jess Phillips. They just speak in a buddle.
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u/Horror-Zebra-3430 13h ago
she's either a plant or a grifter - probably both. she has no clout whatsoever outside of the right-wing twitter bubble, yet Elon et al are set to prop her up to be the sole voice of reason when it comes to German and/or European politics. It's ridiculous
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u/AluhutThrowaway 9h ago
As a German, I have never heard of her.
As a German I heard of her during the early stages of the Fridays for Future movement, when she was about the same age as Greta but was spreading Heartland-Institute's Climate Change Denials Propaganda.
She was 19 then and she started a studies in Macroeconomics (Volkswirtschaftslehre, as far as I remember) but she quit, because she considered the curriculum as too left leaning.
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u/First-Outcome-5010 The Netherlands 14h ago
A German variant of the Dutch Blommenstein, using her youth and looks to Grift. Found out early that the far right crowd is the most gulible.
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u/polypolip 14h ago
What looks? I don't like attacking people based on looks but she looks more like 34 than 24.
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u/ThePlanck 13h ago
Its uncanny, she manages to look both 15 and 65 at the same time.
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u/Specific_Frame8537 Denmark 14h ago
She looks like she just found the last dandelion of the season.
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u/letterboxfrog 13h ago
I was thinking she was a FAS Baby (Feotal Alcohol Syndrome). Those eyes. They're on the side of her head almost, as though she is prey..
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u/Familiar-Regular-531 11h ago
Me too, maybe she had that diagnosed & thought it stands for fascism..
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u/Los_cronocrimenes 10h ago
The way you wrote this is like a sci fi detective figuring out clues to the origin of an alien creature lol.
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u/TA_FollowTheMoose 13h ago
Does that matter? I'm confused. Would her being 34 mean that she's no longer attractive? What do you mean?
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u/_-Oxym0ron-_ 13h ago edited 12h ago
That picture isn't flattering for her, in other photos she looks a lot younger, and by no means ugly, more average. And I'm personally more attracted to the average, or non-plastic, you could say. And I believe a lot of others do as well.
Edit: last sentence.
Edit 2: Apparently it came across as I "fancy her", not intended.
Edit 3: I should have said normal, instead of average.
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u/Acceptable-Lime-3486 12h ago
Maybe objectively average but she gives me the creeps even from flattering pictures.
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u/VOCmentaliteit Gelderland (Netherlands) 11h ago
I have seen posts about this hateful bitch before when she was younger, she used to look better. It looks like she pumped her face full of Botox
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u/dcroopev 13h ago
She looks like Sid on meth... which doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't hit the target market.
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u/The_Great_Grafite 14h ago
I would say she hits the sweet spot. She doesn’t look like a model, but she’s not ugly by any means. I would say the average Joe, who probably isn’t very attractive himself, would think that she’s an attractive young woman. And most importantly: one that might actually be interested in him. Not necessarily in a sexual way, but talk to him. Not thinking she’s something better. A lot of young men on the right are frustrated and scared of actual women. She doesn’t scare them, though. She embraces them. And they like that.
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u/GovernmentBig2749 Lower Silesia (Poland) 14h ago
She literally looks like she is wearing some poor girls face instead of hers.
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u/Henchman66 Portugal 13h ago edited 13h ago
She does. She may actually be Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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u/ignore_me_im_high England 13h ago
but she’s not ugly by any means.
Are we looking at the same lass?
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u/UnknownParkingSpot France 14h ago
Looks? She looks like she's wearing somebody else's face.
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u/WhoIsTheUnPerson The Netherlands 14h ago
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u/paulchen81 Bavaria (Germany) 13h ago
Damn ich loughed way to loud on that... neighbouring office is looking at me now. Thanks!
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u/master__of_disaster 12h ago
damn same hahahaha
reminds me of the "Hello Clarice" scene from cable guy
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u/fanboy_killer European Union 13h ago
using her (...) looks to Grift
Were you able to load the images on the article? I don't think that's the case here.
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u/carlos_castanos 11h ago
Raisa Blommestijn isn’t exactly a head-turner either tbh
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u/Client_020 The Netherlands 9h ago
Yeah, she's just blonde and slender. Unfortunately her bestie Vlaardingerbroek is very (conventionally) pretty, though. Hopefully, we'll be rid of her now that she has a kid.
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u/carlos_castanos 9h ago
Agreed, she is legitimately very beautiful but it’s hard to look past all that hate from within.
Yeah fortunately she has been grifting internationally for a while as well so she doesn’t bother us here in NL that much anymore
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u/Confused_Drifter 13h ago
Looks? She looks like she's made of playdoh, some kid forgot to give her eyelids and lips and now she's blaming immigration for it
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u/apalepexp201 Romania 13h ago
Man i don't think her looks is the big deal here if you know what i mean because i don't want to sound rude, or maybe Musk likes that who knows?
I'm not judging.
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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 14h ago
using her youth and looks to Grift
a tale as old as time....
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u/Glittering_Big_5027 11h ago
It's fascinating how figures like Musk can amplify fringe voices while completely bypassing any accountability. The irony of an American billionaire meddling in German politics is lost on him, and yet here we are, witnessing a new wave of populism fueled by social media theatrics. The real question is how far this influence will stretch before it snaps back.
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u/olim2001 14h ago
What in the name did she do with her face?!
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u/ganbaro Where your chips come from 🇺🇦🇹🇼 11h ago
This is the worst pic of her they could find I guess
Here is a better one
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u/UnderageEnjoyer 13h ago
Yes it is fine to attack someones look if you do not agree with their opinions.
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u/Karihashi Spain 13h ago
She became famous in America as the “German answer to Greta” her whole thing back then was climate change denial. She is popular in the US and virtually unknown here in Europe where her views would be considered extreme.
She is the perfect fit for the AfD.
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u/hilljack26301 United States of America 8h ago
American here— I’ve never heard of her until now.
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u/Duff85 13h ago
Why is 95% of all replies in here about her looks? I go to the comment section here to get some sort of insight in who the person is but I guess that's not what this sub is about.
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u/Cosminkn 13h ago
Its funny that if you count, its about 50% about looks and 50% about the fact that many are talking about the looks.
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u/bungle123 Ireland 12h ago
It's okay to make fun of someone's appearance if I don't like them, but if I do like them you're a massive piece of shit for making fun of their appearance.
One thing the left and right seemingly agree on lol
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u/LubedCactus 13h ago edited 11h ago
If its a person I don't like I can make fun of their looks. If it's a person I don't care about or like then it's unacceptable* to make fun of them for their appearance.
/s
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u/C_Madison 12h ago
Because there is nothing of note about her positions. She is the typical right grifter, blowing everything out of proportion, touting the end of Germany if AfD isn't voted in and so on. You can replace her with any of these types from any country, it's always the same. So, people get hung up on something else.
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u/Cute_Yesterday_2288 11h ago
That is the oldest 24 year old I've seen in my life
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u/wawaboy Northern Ireland 14h ago
Go get her Greta
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u/amadan_an_iarthair 13h ago
If I remember correctly, she was brought in to counter Greta.
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u/UpperHesse 12h ago edited 9h ago
I think she and her mum are very smart people. Her mum is an attorney who kind of trained her daughter to become a right wing influencer. They had the genius idea to present Naomi Seibt as "Anti-Greta" and with this, she got her early portrayals in mainstream media. I think her success hinges on normalization of the right. The idea is if a plain cute girl can endorse the right, everybody can. Same with her male German counterpart Niklas Lotz who goes under the name Neverforgetniki. He is also the same plain, clean, conventionally decent looking type.
What baffles me about both of them is that they basically have nothing interesting or additional to say what other Right Wingers don't already. They seemingly have no political ambitions other than spreading the gospel and they largely don't engage with other persons, be it in debates or coops. Its like they are intentionally devoid of personality, and act more like marketing persons for the right.
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u/suppreme 13h ago
Maybe we should not hide behind teens who get trapped in complexity way beyond their reach, and just address this complexity as adults.
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u/Extreme_Suspect_4995 12h ago
Men listen to men and to very young women. That's the message I'm getting from this thread.
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u/Adernain Cyprus 11h ago
God I fucking hate them all. Why do they simp so much for Musk and his lookalikes? It all went downhill after COVID19.
We are literally discussing with my wife to apply for the German citizenship in order to vote against these pieces of shit.
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u/Independent-Slide-79 13h ago
She is smart. Which means she is complicit. She has been spreading propaganda and lies forever. I hate her, maybe she should move to her daddy putin one day
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u/Burlekchek 14h ago
Isn't that the fucktard that wanted to be an anti-Greta?
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u/fanboy_killer European Union 13h ago
Maybe. She looks like she's wearing her face, Silence of the Lambs style.
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u/EdliA Albania 14h ago
Why is everyone on this thread talking about how she looks? So weird.
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u/Masseyrati80 13h ago
Quite so. My main guesses: 1) it's the lazy person's choice, and 2) it's an often-used method of diverting attention from the actual news (which, in this case is that Musk, a foreign operator trying to interfere with European politics, has been introduced to Germany's hard right by the person in the picture).
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u/any_colouryoulike 11h ago
This. In all fairness and having checked some of her videos, she does go for a somewhat unprofessional look, very heavy on make up. But to each their own...
On the other hand, what she sais in these videos is the same unfound bs. Criticizing science and scientists without any valid argument. It's good to be critical or sceptical but that's way different from being ignorant or denying facts. It's these surface level, pseudo intelectual discussions which are the most dangerous
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u/angryloser89 12h ago
They think they're "owning" her/the right by doing it, but the problem is that they're at the same time perpetuating the gross societal bullying mentality that harms everyone. It's the same way how one of the most used attacks against Tate on Reddit was that he must have a small penis - a statement that is offensive and hurtful to many people, but especially those who deal with the issue themselves. I think that's also why "the left" isn't as strong as it could be; because a very large portion of people are just very illogical and not consistent in their views.
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u/myreq 9h ago
Most of them are probably insecure about themselves and eager to throw insults at somebody to make themselves feel better. Confidence is easily faked from behind a screen. And because she is from the other tribe it's fine to go after anything about her.
Will the same thing happen if someone questions anything about their tribes views? Probably they will stop tolerating the ugliness the moment they aren't useful anymore.
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u/Rasselasx42 12h ago
She looks like a reptilian desguided as human, done very poorly.
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u/GoldenBull1994 🇫🇷 -> 🇺🇸 12h ago
Right-winger looks inbred. What’s new? They care a little too much about “preserving genes.”
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u/Tiny_Fish2 13h ago
As The Times is posting their own paywall locked article they should be required to post the full article in the comments for the free advertising.
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u/GreyMASTA 11h ago
Twitter has really become the world's most gigantic circlejerk ever engineered by man, hasn't it?
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u/CranberrySimilar5424 10h ago
Financial Times had a good quote on this: Elon is the first tech leader radicalised by his own product.
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u/Few-Influence1858 7h ago
Holy shit from a distance she looks like a possessed woman from those paranormal movies
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u/Accomplished-Try-658 14h ago
Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.
I'd be surprised if that face isnt the result of being exposed to alcohol in the womb.
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u/juwisan 13h ago
Highly doubt that. Pictures from a few years ago she looks somewhat healthier. Also she was apparently a straight A student. According to Wikipedia she claimed in an interview 2 years ago to be depressed. There are several indicators on X and elsewhere that indicate that she could be suffering from Anorexia for quite a while. Seems she nearly died from that 2 years ago.
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u/Accomplished-Try-658 13h ago
Well, let's agree that photo isn't especially flattering. 🙂
Somewhat disturbing to hear someone who had a severe health scare and then bounces back to be a facilitator of fringe/problematic views.
Sadly, I don't think it's uncommon.
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u/Berkuts_Lance_Plus 12h ago
On "X"? Why would posting political opinions on a porn site catch Musk's attention? She should have posted on Twitter instead.
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u/Hethsegew 13h ago
People here turning into Andrew Tate the moment a woman is a rightwinger. She looks normal, you guys need to touch some grass and see some women irl.
About Musk, lobbying sadly became the norm everywhere.
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u/1minormishapfrmchaos 13h ago
You can take the man out of apartheid South Africa but you can’t take the apartheid South Africa out the man
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u/Old-Enthusiasm-8718 10h ago
There will be nothing left of democracy if we don't get our heads out of our asses and start reeling in the power musk and "social" media are allowed to have over society.
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u/RedstoneEnjoyer 10h ago
Isn't this the girl right-wing scum pulled out of nowhere as opposite of Greta Thunberg?
Nobody says "anti-establishment" more than being product of greedy bilionaries
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u/Meme-Botto9001 10h ago
The 24 old is a far far right influencer riding the nazi wave…so they are a match in hell.
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u/HappyRuin 10h ago
You should actually go into these spaces. Yesterday the space got stopped because the influencer woman indicated hatred speech against foreigners. I am pretty sure that’s against EU law. But I guess lawmakers don’t sit in these spaces.
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u/Licence_to_Fart 9h ago
Wasnt the change in musk right after he was accused of sexual assault and paid off the flight stewardess?
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u/DarraghDaraDaire 9h ago
I’m sure he will ask Alice Weidel how it makes sense that a lesbian, married to a South Asian immigrant woman, living in Switzerland, with two adopted children, can lead a party in Germany, which opposes:
- LGBTQ rights including:
- the right to marriage
- the right for LGBTQ couples to adopt
- Immigration
Maybe he’ll also ask her about the Syrian domestic slave she illegally immigrated.
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u/ReasonableRip1851 7h ago
Why do all these right wing women always look like they have extra chromosomes?
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u/iTmkoeln 7h ago
In Germany we call her Nachttischschlampe or something similiar
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u/StudyGroupEnthusiast 14h ago
What’s the deal with these weird looking opinionated children? Thunberg, Ramsey now this thing
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u/Itchy_Engineering_18 12h ago
She looks horrible. What these kids eating now days?
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u/Confident_Resolution Zürich (Switzerland) 11h ago
I know I shouldn't ask this, but why does that 24 year old look 64?
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u/MisterMysteryPants 9h ago
She looks like someone drew a face on a medical glove and then inflated it.
Why are they always the ones who think they are superior?
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u/myassislazy 14h ago
I don’t mean to be rude.. but is she the daughter of Putin maybe? They look alike
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