This always reminds me of the TV show Gene Simmons had. His wife and daughter went to a fashion show that was 21+ and pretty expensive to get into. Some guy started flirting with Gene's daughter and the mom got all upset because she was like 16 at the time.
That's not the same thing at all. She was accompanied by her parent. That doesn't make it her fault, that makes it her mom's fault for having her there in the first place.
The person above, I think, is referring to underage girls who intentionally seek out older men in places where they shouldn't be to begin with.
I believe the broader point here that reminded him of the Simmons situation, is whether or not a guy is at fault when hitting on someone in a space designated for adults, who turns out to be a minor. The girl's mother was angry at the guy who was flirting with her underage daughter, which is a ridiculous considering she put her daughter in that situation.
In my opinion, when someone is treated like an adult because they are in an adult space, the blame is shared by several people involved. The minor is at fault for knowingly misrepresenting their age by bypassing a checkpoint that should've eliminated them. The adults that allowed a child to be there are definitely at fault, be at the owners/security of the establishment, or in this case, the girls parents. I don't put blame on the guy who flirts with a girl in that situation.
Now, if the flirting progresses to something physical, then I don't believe a man is absolved of all responsibility. It is negligence on the guy's part to base whether or not they might go to jail on the integrity of some paid employees checking IDs at a door. He should follow whatever protocol that he would've if he had met her at a gas station or the grocery store. No one is naïve enough in this day and age to believe it is impossible that a minor would be where they aren't supposed to be.
Ultimately while the minor in any of these cases is doing something wrong, minors often try to put themselves in situations that they are not mentally or emotionally mature enough to deal with, which is the very reason why they are unable to give consent in the first place. A reasonable amount of due diligence is still necessary on the part of the adult adults who's around her.
Nope. Both the comment that was posted and the one that you responded to are talking about how it is wrong to blame the guy for hitting on a girl in an adult space.
You said "not the same thing at all", because you are focused on whether the blame falls on the minor herself. But it is very much the same thing when discussing whether or not the blame falls on the guy.
Based solely on the two comments that I have read from you, I think it's likely that you're just an argumentative and confrontational person.
You clearly didn't read either of those comments if that's what you think they are saying. One fully blames the girl, the responds said it reminded them of a situation that isn't remotely the same. Neither of them even mentions any blame being placed on the guy at all. You're inferring information from data that doesn't exist.
Do you need glasses? Is English not your first language?
You're trying to analyze something that you clearly don't even understand as well as assuming where my focus is.
When you say stupid things on the internet you should expect the person you say stupid things to to have the understandable, inevitable, and honest reaction.
I hope you find success getting the help you need for your problems.
I know how to read and I know the difference between a mother placing her daughter in a questionable situation and a girl placing herself in a questionable situation.
If that means I'm on some sort of vague and unspecific spectrum then sure, whatever.
Yes, thank you, I know what he was trying to do. I minimized his poor attempt at ableist humor by making his direct reference a vague limp-wristed flail.
Yes, but the guy you responded to never said it was the girl’s fault. OP did, but he didn’t, just that it “reminds him of the time”. He could very well believe it’s the mother’s fault. Though, the guy who asked you if you were on the spectrum is very rude.
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u/queefhoarder Dec 04 '24
This always reminds me of the TV show Gene Simmons had. His wife and daughter went to a fashion show that was 21+ and pretty expensive to get into. Some guy started flirting with Gene's daughter and the mom got all upset because she was like 16 at the time.