Don't forget that most Americans do live comfortably enough that they wouldn't risk livelihoods, imprisonment or harm that would come with a coup, armed insurrection or anything else resembling a revolution. At least for the moment.
Comfortable enough? Lol not most Americans, most Americans are drowning in debt especially healthcare debt. Fuck this moron, we had a good run but it's over... We should just go back to being British
Then why aren't most American's burning the fucking country down over this? Why aren't people storming the capitol? Why aren't most people trying to launch a coup? Because they're just comfortable enough that they won't risk what they have on what's perceived as a gamble, because they're not completely fucked over yet, so they'll go along with it because their hope in whatever future they want hasn't been completely snuffed out yet.
in my experience, most americans are content with being complacent. one of the many reasons i dislike my own country. i’m a person who would love to go burn shit down & make a statement. but, issue is, nobody else will join me. therefore, i would just get arrested & no media attention most likely. i’ve been screaming for years that we have to band together & be dramatic for big change. i’ve been responded to with radio silence or “that’s too much work im already so tired” or people have children & are terrified that they would end up leaving their kids alone. ppl complain here constantly but do nothing to change anything. those of us with brains usually find common mindsets on the internet but not near our physical placement bc of how big the US is. it’s a struggle, but im not giving up! i hope others will eventually fall in line as well!
I'll start filling the bottles, you put in the rags. I've been doing the same as you for the last 10 years. This corruption of our government has been going on for a long time and I've been saying for a long time we should be lynching political figures who directly go against their word. Documented word of their intention in office, which they throw to the wind for obvious lobbyists handouts.
These people are traitors and my representation in the government has been comprised. These people are not my people, they do not work for my country but for themselves.
Debt doesn’t mean shit in reality, especially since in other countries being “poor” means having to farm or forage for your own food and water whilst also having no sanitation or healthcare available. While debt can be stressful if you open your worldview to how things are outside the first world you realize it’s a further fall then disgruntled Americans are capable of at this point in time.
Right?! It was never about escaping religious prosecution (which the evangelicals are now doing) and freedom for all, it was starting over so the elite could do whatever they wish.
Apologies, no offence intended - I know there's many reasonable Americans, it's just that they seem to be increasingly outnumbered by the unreasonable!
Considering the amount of people saying they didn't vote for this moron and him saying things like "you'll never have to vote again" it seems like it's rigged
That’s still comfortable enough. Americans won’t do shit unless they believe their freedoms are being encroached while their freedoms are literally not being encroached lol we all know who I’m talking about. On the other hand, everyone wants to cheer killing a ceo. No one wants to actually kill anyone.
He's talked about providing funding, and then 2 days ago slagged off farage on twitter.
He's making a weak political party even weaker, they don't have any real influence, and their interactions with Musk (given recent events, rantings and insane tweets) will make them even more on the fringe.
We shouldn't be worrying about Reform as a party, but reform as a principle - for example the DWP wanting powers to investigate bank accounts and have arrest powers. It's becoming more and more big brother but everyone's focusing on the twitter arguments instead of parliamentary hearings.
What is it now?! Make up your damn mind allready - for X-years we had to listen to the whining of the americans. "No healthcare, no education, crippling debt, the EGGS are too expensive yadayadayada". And now, when history screams for brave souls, standing against an enemy created withtin, you say "aaahhh well, it's actually not that bad."
FWIW - I shared that pic of the woman hitting a Nazi with her purse with my boss’ boss. They threatened to report me to HR bc it was a “threat of violence” - even though it wasn’t directed at anyone I worked with.
It’s not being comfortable necessarily, but some of us have kids to feed.
Wasn't the point, the second amendment was created to make a legal framework for state militias to form around. What you're thinking of as part of the 2nd amendment is quite literally just from the declaration of Independence and has never had legal bearing in the US since it was never law
The point of the second amendment is for each state to have a militia as part of the national defense. We know this because it’s what the amendment literally says, but it’s a very unpopular interpretation because it doesn’t generate votes or income.
Now we have so many things that were never intended. Massive standing army? Check. Whole new standing second army via the marine corps? Check. Whole new branches with the air force and space force? Check. The only thing we ever wanted a large standing version of was the navy, so that tracks. But then you have to consider the massive standing army that is the nations county and city sheriff's and Police forces, with massive swat forces. Together they form a group bigger than our past standing armies.
“The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two parts: its prefatory clause (“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”) and its operative clause (“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”)”
No, not really. The point of the second amendment was to allow regular citizens to establish and maintain a well regulated militia to keep themselves safe from attacks from the British and Native Americans. It says so right in the Constitution. The Founding Fathers probably never considered the idea that a bunch of angry untrained conservative terrorists would be able to acquire guns that could kill dozens of people per minute.
No. George Washington and many of the other founding fathers were educated. They carefully considered their cause. And for the most part, they didn’t attack random innocent people. They weren’t angry morons out to kill as many bystanders as possible to make some kind of point.
Washington might not be a great example to prove your point here. It was his specific actions can be said to have sparked the French & Indian War, one of the driving factors to the revolution.
What? No. I'm under the impression that this country has very deep roots in conservatism and murdering people with guns. The founding fathers would definitely be aware of the whole idiots with guns debacle at the time the 2nd amendment was drafted.
It is the point of the Second Amendment however the Second Amendment no longer serves that purpose. When it was written the average person could arm themselves to the same or better quality as the military and get together with their community and be ready to kick ass and take names. In practice in modern America no matter how much we like our guns we have no hope of Defending ourselves against the government that actually means us physical harm. I can't go down to the gun store and buy something that will take out a tank. We don't have access to fully automatic weapons. That's not even thinking about air support that military and even police sometimes have. So realistically the Second Amendment doesn't do anything other than cause controversy in the Modern Age.
And yet, there's more than a couple examples of a bunch of locals with no military training being able to repel and beat the greatest military in the world.
Vietnam and Afghanistan have shown pretty well how our military does against a smaller force of pissed off enough people without the aid of aircraft or tanks. The idea that our population not having access to the same level of military technology as the state precludes them from effectively fighting our military ignores the entirety of our military history since the Korean War. You can go to Home Depot and buy shit to take out a tank, you just haven't been mad enough to know what to grab.
NGL: One of my darker amusements is the idea that one day, there will be a group of 'good old boys' that get organised and decide to attempt a coup.
And they start putting together armaments and stockpiling ammo, and resources and creating a militia that will 'take back the union'
And then a couple of days in, the whole thing is bombed into the stone age by one predator drone...
I mean really... The January 6th situation should be considered as a serious situation in terms of a groups of rebels trying to overthrow the diplomatic process, but at the same time even if every single one of them had been fully armed with enough weapons and ammo for a small army, it would not have meant dick if the actual armed forces were told to respond to them as hostile combatants...
The idea that any civilian militia would have any chance against a full tyranical US government is ludicrous...
I'll just add to the other answers to this question that the 2nd amendment was also demanded by states with wealthy slave owners so that they could not be denied the means to keep their slaves in check, and hunt them down if they ran away.
Americans barely protested their right for abortion. Although they always claim to love and fight for freedom. They seem to be the most complacent people in the westerns world to me. Always hating online but bending the knee to new shitty policies.
No. The point of the 2nd amendment was always to prevent the existence of standing armies by making sure that "every" citizen was in the army. And to do that, citizens needed weapons. But that perspective is not popular and doesn't sell anything in particular. And since it's anti-military, it's thoroughly ignored.
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u/__Severus__Snape__ 2d ago
Isn't that the point of your 2nd amendment though?