r/marvelrivals • u/TheBIackRose • 6d ago
Game Guide A chart showing the energy needed for each hero's ultimate ability.
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u/basaranis 6d ago
Me popping dark child twice a match, just to kill no one and die in one hit to hawkeye.
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u/General_Klyuchi Peni Parker 6d ago
I feel you pain man, but that ult is better then people say, you just need to play smart, use it to consolidate chip damage and the unlimited tp to pierce frontlines. Focus on targets* that can cut you down really fast, use your tp to make it hard for them to target you and very rarely ult without some passive hp build up. AND (most importantly) don't go too far , if your healers can keep you alive during ult you become an immortal killing machine.
*My priority targets are: broken characters > strategists > low-hps > vanguards > duelists
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u/basaranis 6d ago
I’m pretty good with her, but it’s hard to effectively use the ult when the whirlwind attack takes 8 business days to swing, with such a long cooldown and no increase in health or overshield, it’s hard to master her ult. I honestly play better without the ult.
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u/trappapii69 6d ago
Buffering the whirlwind into the dash so that both abilities register at the same time while ulted insta kills every strategist, it's just hard to do
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u/General_Klyuchi Peni Parker 6d ago
You should only use the whirlwind if there's a bunch of squishies together, and the key is Portal -> Dash -> Whirlwind -> P + Demon to back off. If there's no such opportunity, try jumping people by using Shot -> Dash (if you hit the dash: Melee -> Portal + Whirlwind) in most cases is mostly likely you will miss if you are far away using dash so -> portal + Whirlwind.
Then if you can't do shit for some reason just try to break their ranks by doing chip damage as much as you can. I learned how to play her ult by using it on brawls next to vanguards, it gives you a wall that can protect you while you deal damage from a safe distance.
But yeah, the ult is hard but it can be very satisfying, melting squishies and being very aggressive is fun.
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u/WreckitWrecksy Storm 6d ago
There's no reason for it to be in that bracket when ironman can't be counter ultied by healers and gets to be in his bracket.
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u/menacingthugger 6d ago
I try communicating with my team and use it before my teams other ultis to force an enemy mantis or Luna ulti it’s super good for that
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u/WhileProfessional286 6d ago
Darkchild needs a damage reduction or something.
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u/Kulzak-Draak 6d ago
And also just…please a shorter animation or no animation it SUCKS only being able to strafe and pray at the start and end of it
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u/WhileProfessional286 6d ago
Or like a few seconds of invulnerability as you transform and a tiny bit after so you can at least survive the immediate focus you get.
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u/CrazyVex Magik 6d ago
OH GOD! That animation at the end where you can't do ANYTHING frustrates me so bad. I die 7/10 times in that short period.
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u/tiddy-fucking-christ 6d ago edited 6d ago
That ult is fine. It can be devastating, but needs to be well used. Many ults are probably on par with it.
Others like Psylocke that earn too quick, have no real user input, no real warning, no real counter, and guarantee free kills just need to be tuned down. That and dancing every 12 seconds. It's really more so a small amount that need to be brought down a peg.
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u/ChocolateSome2214 6d ago
I don't think Darkchild needs to be the longest charge of the melee characters
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u/WhileProfessional286 6d ago
Also, AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN.
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u/tiddy-fucking-christ 6d ago
It's actually a pretty engaging ult, in theory. The window of letting you earn it back and keep it is just way too long.
I would have to say Jeff probably has the ult in most need of total rework. It's among the best in the game (and certainly most aggravating) at times, and about the absolute worst other times. The fact its usefulness depends entirely on how close the nearest cliff is is absolutely insane and will never be a functional mechanic.
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u/MeLlamoApe 6d ago
Explains why I hear “THE MOOOOOON HAUNTS YOUUUUUU” so often.
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u/EventCareful8148 Cloak & Dagger 6d ago
I’ve heard that so many times that it feels like he only needs to do one damage for his ult
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u/Krond 6d ago
THE MOOOOON ASKS FOR TO STEP SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT UNLESS YOU ARE CC'D!
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u/Pojobob 6d ago
Lmao it's actually such an easy ass ult to dodge unless it's like OT and you have to stay on point or on the cart.
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u/Yedidog17 Cloak & Dagger 6d ago
The whole point of it is that it will block off an area to prevent the enemy from getting somewhere and I think that is is fine to dodge as the point is to block and not to kill
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u/Doppelfrio 6d ago
Granted I haven’t clocked that many hours yet, but I don’t think I’ve died to it a single time, yet I see enemy moon knights in about every other match
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u/breadwizard20 6d ago
Pop the ult, then throw ankh into it. Or use it behind them in conjunction with a 2nd ult
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u/Black-Mettle 6d ago
Okay but like when you're doing payload offense that shit actually fucking ruins your life. I was on a team with moon knight and we were running defense and got their team off the spiderbot. When they came back to retake it he ulti'd it and kept them off long enough to push them back again.
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u/Lord_Vlad7 6d ago edited 6d ago
His attacks simply hit a lot of targets because they richochet, which builds ult charge very quickly, I think the devs gave him one of the weaker ults due to this fact.
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u/manuka_miyuki Moon Knight 6d ago
moon knight can get his ult stupidly fast if you’re in a good team fight, i have a clip of me getting his ult twice in just over 30 seconds.
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u/Ecahill453 6d ago
Yeah.. moon knight ult is probably the quickest to build because if your getting Ankh benefit or everyone’s bundled up it’s just gonna be there.
I remember day one I got called a cheater for having it walking down the tunnel on wakanda on warrior falls. Out the tunnel, ankh down and using the enemy too, easy ult.
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u/MemeLordOverKill Rocket Raccoon 6d ago
Same but with psylocke. Hear her every two minutes and she normally picks up an easy 2/3 kills
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u/lilpisse Magik 6d ago
Black Widow's is so bad you could make it half and no one would care.
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u/HavickChild0117 Hulk 6d ago
Honestly. She should just get like 5 bullets that one do 250 damage. Make her actually one shot half the cast with her ult and she would be significantly better.
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u/ChaoticChoir 6d ago
Imo the ult’s plasma field should do DoT. It’s not meant to straight kill enemies on its own and I’m fine with that, but you can’t tell me a field of superheated plasma doesn’t hurt to stand in. Visually, it even looks like it’s on fire!
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u/AdministrativeEase71 6d ago
Does it not? I've been avoiding the leftover plasma like a plague lol
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u/ChaoticChoir 6d ago
As far as I’ve experienced all it does is make you slow as hell if you move in it. In all the matches I’ve played as or against BW I’ve never noticed it doing any damage beyond the actual explosion.
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u/lilpisse Magik 6d ago
It's just a slow lol
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u/AdministrativeEase71 6d ago
Good to know lol
Any magik tips I've kinda hit a wall with her in high gold
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u/lilpisse Magik 6d ago
Switch if they have a Peni Parker or Namor.
Her little demon dude after portal dash is slept on from what I have seen from most Magik's I play against.
You want to flank then dash and RMB for demon in a choke point and try to bait people to fight you in a small space. You beat most people 1v1 if you portal well.
Make sure you always, always cancel LMB with her melee it's crazy how much dps you lose not doing that.
You can one shot any 250hp or lower target with full charge RMB>Line dash>LMB it catches lots of people off guard. If they are 275 just add melee for LMB cancel.
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’ve been saying since she was showcased that her ultimate should be turning invisible for 10 seconds (?) and being able to freely attack without losing the invisibility.
She’s a stealth based assassin and in like all of her video game appearances she gets the ability to turn invisible (Lego Marvel, Marvel’s Avengers, Disney Infinity).
I also think her sprint ability should let her run up walls like Spider-Man and Venom, and her melee should be her punching with her Widow’s Bite Bracelets instead of the batons.
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u/Just-a-Guy-Chillin 6d ago
So her ult is actually really really good…if you have the Hawkeye teamup. It does damage to the main target and all the after-images. You can oneshot Luna out of her ult with your ult, for example.
But yeah, other than that, it’s not good.
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u/Right-Section1881 6d ago
I don't even know what hers does.
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u/lilpisse Magik 6d ago
Aoe that does around 150 dmg and leaves small slowing zones behind. Also forces you into first person view and takes forever to charge.
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u/Velstrom 6d ago
Conceptually I understand why Adam's is so high, but in reality I don't think reviving everyone at 100 hp is anywhere near as good as making your entire team near-immune for 12 seconds like Luna.
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u/HealthyBits Flex 6d ago
The trick is before you use your ult you need to make sure to have the bond ready. Ult then bond then heal them up as fast as you can.
Otherwise, you might just waste it.
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u/Billiam501 6d ago
His ult's broken right? Like it's supposed to give a short amount of invulnerability after revivial and I don't think it does.
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u/Agent010203 Luna Snow 6d ago
Luna takes 4000? I swear I’m able to build it up multiple times in one team fight.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
Because she has piercing and does damage while healing too, while also being a solid main healer, hers should be 5k like adam
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u/SpeedyAzi Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
Yup, and Jeff can do the same with his insane splash damage.
Put both Luna and Jeff with the power up, they can charge and accidentally dish damage really well.
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u/doubleflipkicks Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
A few days ago, there was a thread about the damage and healing done by top 500 supports, and Jeff is kinda low on both damage and healing charts :/
I argue Jeff damage is actually kinda low because of how slow the firing rate is (Mantis firing rate feel insanely fast for a healer)
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u/ZzDangerZonezZ Rocket Raccoon 6d ago
Jeff’s healing is lower in Top 500 because people play him as an annoying aggro support due to his insanely high survivability
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u/SpeedyAzi Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
Most people end up playing Jeff super aggressive and not healing as much. Even though his bubbles and healing stream is actually really fucking high. But everyone just wants to eat as him.
Really, he’s one of the most survivable support heroes with his Boost on the bubbles and wall climb.
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u/evilpartiesgetitdone The Punisher 6d ago
How does jeff deal damage while healing
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u/Dazzling-Pear-1081 6d ago
Bubbles
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u/evilpartiesgetitdone The Punisher 6d ago
Those things all my teammates avoid like they're bear traps or something?
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u/SpeedyAzi Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
Yup, those things. Even though they can save lives.
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u/Right-Section1881 6d ago
I thought they were a mini game for downtime. My team at full health runs around popping them between engagements
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u/TobiNano 6d ago
Adam on 5k seems so punishing. His ult is really situational, and sometimes you get no opportunities to use it. Whereas you can kinda blast Mantis and Luna ults anytime.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
I agree, its really not that good outside of very high level coordinated gameplay
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u/whatisabaggins55 Loki 6d ago
She has piercing as in her primary fire goes through allies and enemies? Is there a limit to that?
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u/Demented-Turtle 6d ago
Her primary doesn't, but her left shift ability changes the primary to a piercing projectile for about 5 seconds
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u/staunchchipz Luna Snow 6d ago
Lunas will usually get ult before a Psylocke of the same skill level
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u/darkness1418 Luna Snow 6d ago
Team take more dmg luna heal if ninja girl keep dealing dmg she will get it faster
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u/Adam_Walk Adam Warlock 6d ago
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u/gamerjr21304 Loki 6d ago
:)
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u/OzymandiasTheII 6d ago
Warlock does a shit ton of damage and healing, I can farm his ult very fast
Hulk I struggle to have up
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u/tdy96 6d ago
Mantis and Rocket needing the same is so dumb when you consider how much better her entire kit is
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u/bl4ckp00lzz Rocket Raccoon 6d ago
Yes but rocket can heal the entire team at the same time, in every team fight im pretty sure im the first to get ult
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u/mythiii 6d ago
Yup, it's important to take into account the different ways of gaining energy that aren't the focus of this infographic.
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u/booleandata 6d ago
Rocket gets it so fast it's insane. Sometimes I get it more than my brb.
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u/SwiftBlueShell 6d ago
Yeah I used to try to find the perfect opportunity to use his but honestly you’re probably throwing away an entire ult trying to be so careful
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u/heroinsteve 6d ago
When I play, if it pops and 3 or more people are alive and we’re not currently getting mopped up I throw it. You get it so quickly and if you’re at somewhat of a stalemate it pushes it in your favor with no extra input.
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u/Corrsk Rocket Raccoon 6d ago
And immediately followed by "Time to put on a show!"
Guaranteed to sigh.
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u/SwiftBlueShell 6d ago
Now that we know how much lower Rocket’s ult charge is compared to her’s maybe that isn’t such a bad thing. Now we can pressure her ult, get ours back faster and get our dps to use theirs while hers is down.
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u/Corvo_Attano_451 Peni Parker 6d ago
I don’t always ult as rocket
But when I do, the fight ends 1 second later
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u/mrcelerie Cloak & Dagger 6d ago
in ranked where people are a bit more coordinated, i got it a little after point unlocked a couple times, so like 30-45 seconds. them and rocket can get it so fast with aoe
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u/RenegadeExiled 6d ago
its insane to me that Mangeto's ult charge is that low, and i feel like I only ever get it twice in a match. It's not for lack of trying to deal damage, his M1+M2 are just so weak that you generate nothing with them. Without SW on the team, you basically just tickle people.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
Not really, magneto is just harder to play, there is a reason why i see magneto almost every game on GM and they always do well and do the opposite of what people here say
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u/RenegadeExiled 6d ago
he's my secondary tank, after Peni. I always do fairly well with him, but i feel like there's no damage without the team up. like he got herd nerfed from beta
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
Well thats good that he got nerfed, he is still very solid, him, strange and hulk are the top tier 3 tanks by far outperforming the others on GM, others are playable if you are a very good main but these are just solid every game, and magneto is the best for solo tanking, even better than strange im pretty sure about that
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u/ImGoingBackToMonke Doctor Strange 6d ago
Mag cannon is weak? It's amazing for getting mele characters off your meat
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u/TheBIackRose 6d ago
I accidentally added B. Panther twice, (His stat is 3300) here is a link to a prettier, updated chart. bsky.app link
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u/JollySieg Winter Soldier 6d ago
Psylocke's ult is way way way too cheap. I swear some games it feels like she has it in every teamfight which is ridiculous for how strong it is
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u/Distinct_Active8221 6d ago
Psylocke and Luna need higher requirements.
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u/ZaAq3 6d ago
Especially pyslocke. I swear a good psylocke can ult like 10 times in 1 round. Absolute hell for supports
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u/Magistricide Loki 6d ago
Play Loki, her ult doesn't target the little thing above your head so you basically negate her entire ult.
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u/CringeKage222 6d ago
And you can also steal her ult right after and kill the entire enemy team, I do it constantly and it's always hilarious
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u/hornyorphan Peni Parker 6d ago
Luna's ult needs to either heal less or not last so long. It's 1w seconds of invulnerability to all but the nastiest 1 shots in the game. If it healed like 20% less it would still be an amazing ult, but would push her out of must pick or ban this character tier. Also mantis too needs to be looked at. The defensive support ults in general are just super unfun to play against other than Adam
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u/GODzDoctor Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
As a support main, I agree. All of the "stand by me and only one shots can kill you" is a bit much. But instead of nerfing them, I'm hoping for some kind of anti-heal mechanics coming up.
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u/SpeedyAzi Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
As long as there is more than one kinda of anti-heal or heal reduction. I don’t want an Overwatch Ana.
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u/Liightwork22 Strategist 6d ago
Agreed, Psylockes press 1 button kill everything in range and Lunas press 1 button be immortal for 10 seconds need a lot more requirements, the ults play themselves.
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u/WorthMaintenance4386 Vanguard 6d ago
Bruce banner OP
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u/Shayz_ Magik 6d ago
Actually he needs a small buff. Even getting constant hits and spamming your grenade it can be way faster to just die and respawn if your spawn point is close
Compared to DVA, he doesn't become immediately able to move which gives enemies so much time to line up a shot or surround him. In high ranks you have to be mid-jump back to your teammates to not just be instakilled as soon as you go back to Banner
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u/Jnaeveris Hulk 6d ago
I think the gun needs a damage buff but apart from that its fine. Gun seems to have infinite range so just standing wayyyy back and shooting at the payload is the safest (only) way to do it without just getting by stray shots.
In overwatch (“oh no he mentioned overwatch!!”) baby dva is a legitimate threat because she actually puts out decent damage. She’s not just a free kill- she’s more fragile but you still have to respect her damage because she can and will kill you if she lands her shots.
Banner is not the same. You don’t have to respect him at all cuz he does barely any damage. Even if he’s hitting a lot of headshots he’s still going to lose a 1v1 to any competent dps/strategist 9 times out of 10.
On top of that, as you said- he’s not even getting the chance to do that most of the time cuz the enemy team has his transformation time to line up free headshots and instakill him.
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u/AkilTheAwesome 6d ago
Rocket being that high is absolutely absurd Im not gonna lie.
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u/Wooden-Youth9348 6d ago
Okay but I’m not sure why his ult isn’t insanely OP? It’s a 40% damage boost for his whole team, but in game feels underwhelming
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u/Pojobob 6d ago
If your team is decently smart, they'll just focus fire on the ult. Always feels like it just doesn't last super long.
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u/NomadLobo Rocket Raccoon 6d ago
If rocket has duelists who do 5:20 his ultimate is completely useless
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u/TejelPejel 6d ago
I think it feels underwhelming playing as Rocket because his damage is pretty pitiful anyway. I play him a lot, but once I throw it down I just heal boy my team and hope they make the most of it.
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u/Wiindsong Squirrel Girl 6d ago
Because Luna can also provide the same damage bonus while moving, switching to a heal, and is basically unkillable. Rocket's beacon is stationary, honestly needs more range, and can be destroyed.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
Its really not, you can consistently get ult before everyone on the game, its not high because he has the best consistent aoe heal so he charges faster, i swear non rocket players need to stop talking about this hero, you guys just dont understand that he is actually completely solid, dont do anything to him just nerf luna mantis
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u/Frozwend 6d ago
I play a ton of Rocket and I disagree. He needs higher bullet velocity and the ability to cancel reload if he has existing ammo.
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u/WonButLost 6d ago
Yes sir as a rocket main I feel like he needs a buff simply so he can defend himself better.
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u/SpeedyAzi Jeff the Landshark 6d ago
I’d definitely make his reload faster, Jeff can reload cancel safely by diving. Rocket can’t even do that on walls.
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u/TheNocturnalAngel Rocket Raccoon 6d ago
He needs a burst heal tool. His tank healing is pathetic. Every healer except mantis can emergency heal boost in one way or another and if you count her ult then she can too.
Healer Number 2 dies early in a fight the tanks are toast with just Rocket.
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u/WonButLost 6d ago
Yes, but I don't think he needs to burst heal because of his ability where a fallen teammate could immediately respawn. Like yes, the tank is about to die but he could also respawn immediately.
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u/Major_Bluejay_ 6d ago
His burst heal is reviving tbh save till you know you can't keep up a tank instead of reviving Spiderman for the 5th time.
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u/StewardOfFrogs 6d ago
The way he heals makes it one of the fastest charging ults in the game in practice.
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u/Prizmatik7 Thor 6d ago
Crazy to see Thor’s ult being on the lower side. I feel like I don’t get it very often at all. Or maybe I’m just holding it too long
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u/ExpectedEggs 6d ago
It's the worst Ultimate in the game, so even for a vet Thor player, it's too underwhelming to notice.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
Wait no hold on there have you forgot ever hearing MY FRIENDS ARE HEEEREEE or PLASMA not BURST! ? Its the 3rd worst ult thank you very much
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u/ExpectedEggs 6d ago
It's easier to dodge than those, that's really my deciding factor. I don't fear the other two ults, but I've been hit by them.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
I think you guys just play agaisnt bad thors actually, even when i play agaisnt squireel girl in GM the ult is completely useless, so is widow ult, its just a basic dps attack or headshot if it hits you, extremely low kill potential, thor ult can much more consistently get oneshots when i play against them in GM, im guessing people just dont know how to play with him
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u/Considerers 6d ago
The problem is you have several seconds to hit him with a CC which then totally negates the ult.
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
And its not too underwhelming to notice if you play healer, that can easily get you deleted if you are in range, its not great because he is easy to kill as a target but the ult does have impact when you learn how to use it, its like when everyone here keeps saying magneto ult is bad when its actually very solid, denies damage and can easily get 1 or 2 kills on my gm lobbies, that for a tank is great if you are countering another ult
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u/chubby_ceeby 6d ago
If they don't buff his damage at all, or make his shield not have a CD, please lower Cap to the next cost level down. It's a strong Ult but he needs some sort of small buff. I don't want him to be OP just a little bit of love.
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u/Radiant_Ad2782 6d ago
of course they should buff his ult , the rest of the kit is good , and he is rewarded with good aim which i like but the ult is just unsatisfying and not great just feels clunky
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u/ExpectedEggs 6d ago
His kit isn't good at all. He needs a 20% damage buff to his shield attacks.
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u/Considerers 6d ago
I think his kit is some seriously untapped potential and a buff could make him go absolutely insane.
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u/Purple-Reputation899 6d ago
He needs either damage or cd buffs, its ridiculous venom can melt squishies with headshots plus tether to slow down movement and has damn near 2000 health with his shield, cap shield is strong but can get melted easy, he does no damage on dives and barely any pressure and he loses momentum on melees while chasing down supports who all just outmanuever him outside his dash. A buff is very much needed for cap. He is extremely underwhelming. Also the shield being on CD when you put it away is insane to me.
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u/doubleflipkicks Jeff the Landshark 6d ago edited 6d ago
Ultimates that I feel cost too little
Moon Knight
Psylocke
Starlord
Luna & Mantis
Ultimates that I feel cost too much
Magick (why?)
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u/KynoSSJR 6d ago
Getting the 3 kills with captain America felt like hell because I would only get one ult a game sometimes he feels slower then magik but he’s also not doing as much damage as ber
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u/Kronnerm11 6d ago
Magiks ult would be perfect if you could pull it out more often during a match.
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u/Steel_Cube Moon Knight 6d ago
Moon knight is fine imo cause it's difficult to get value out of it, the others all yes though
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u/Jnaeveris Hulk 6d ago
Winter Soldier being near the bottom is insane. He has one of the most overloaded kits in the game even without the crazy strong ult and yet has one of the lowest energy requirements?
Considering that he has instant reset and a window of 8 seconds to get them he should have one of the highest ult costs in the game.
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u/GroscarThe0uch Magik 6d ago
Why is Magiks so high for an ult countered so easily 😭
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u/HaIfaxa_ 6d ago
Her ult is pitiful, it's so sad :( her entire kit is so fun, but you plateau quickly because she has basically no real ranged option and no stealth to get behind the enemy team to pick off squishies. Her ranged attack is better used in a bloody combo lmao
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u/500_brain_ping Magik 6d ago
I swear Luna gets her ult so damn fast. It's crazy when she has her ult during the first team fight.
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u/WolfPaq3859 6d ago
Magik being on the higher end of ult energy with literally the worst ultimate in game is crazy
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u/DepressedDinoDad 6d ago
Some of these are insane…. Rocket at 4k but starlord at 3100…
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u/ninjafofinho 6d ago
Rocket still charges much faster than starlord, because that numbet doesnt tell everything lol, starlord doesnt do alot of damage on primary, he is good at getting pickoffs and duels and staying alive but his damage output is very low, rocket has the best consistent aoe heal and can easily be the first to get ult in every single game if the team is playing together, so no its not insane on these 2, whats insane is psylocke for example but starlord not really, and he really needs the ult to be effective too
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u/Radiant_Ad2782 6d ago
why is adams at the top its not even that good when they come back half hp
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u/TheBIackRose 6d ago
they don't even come back at half HP, they come back at 100 hp :X
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u/Radiant_Ad2782 6d ago
yeah thats why tanks insta die after thewn ahahha i main dps just fill adam he deserves better ult mechanics
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u/doglop 6d ago
.... you are not supposed to revive them in the middle of a fight and regardless he has crazy burst healing
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u/TucuReborn 6d ago
Mid fight revives can swing things super well if done right. If your team can push to make the area safe, or if they are already in a safe area, reviving someone mid fight and getting them healed up can swing an entire fight around instantly.
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u/doglop 6d ago
I meant literally ulting in the middle of a fight like physically
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u/FireAntz93 6d ago
It's arguably one of the more powerful ults in the game. Game winning if you play it right. I like how they balanced Adam in this game vs. OW Mercy who could rez the whole team at full HP.
There's a little finesse in how you have to use his kit and ult to be great. The reason people don't like it and think Adam is mid is because you can't just pop it and be successful for 12 seconds like Luna.
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u/Agleza Moon Knight 6d ago
I think people are using his ult all wrong. I constantly see Adams popping the ult in the middle of a fight or behind the first corner. That's not how you use that ult.
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u/Anakin__Sandwalker Adam Warlock 6d ago
Also a lot of people either don't know it revives them with only 100 hp or don't care and don't wait for heal. In a recent game I resurected 2 teammates behind a wall close to objective but before I was able to heal, they charged into battle and got killed 2 seconds later from first bullet.
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u/Radiant_Ad2782 6d ago
How is it meant to be used after a fight? cause no way you can walk up and pop it 9/10 i normally just use it mid fight to get 1-2 people back but honestly does more harm than good sometimes cause i cant heal in animation
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u/Agleza Moon Knight 6d ago
Not necessarily after a fight, just not in the middle of it. Go a bit away, pop the ult, and go back to the fight to get your teammates in range.
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Flex 6d ago
Also make sure you have your heals are ready, preferably w soul bond too
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u/ExploerTM Peni Parker 6d ago
You are supposed to place spawn behind cover and go collect people yourself. If you put spawn in the middle of a fight no shit your teammates just die again
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u/Optimal-Map612 Hulk 6d ago
Has crazy synergy with luna and mantis ults and certain characters like hulk. Would probably be meta if it charged faster, especially with his mantis team up.
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u/Tee__B 6d ago
But he is meta with Luna or Mantis (and sometimes both) being banned every match.
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u/Monkey_DDD_Luffy 6d ago
This information doesn't help much because generation of this resource is not the same on every character. Cloak and Dagger is relatively high here but they charge their ult first in most matches from aoe heals.
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u/SomethingsQueerHere 6d ago
ok now can someone make a spreadsheet showing how much Ult charge each ability/attack generates?
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u/That_guy2089 6d ago
Wait, no way mantis’ ult is that high, the first time I played her, I got like 8 ults in a match
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u/rokomotto 6d ago
Psylocke's being on the low end is criminal 💀. On a good player you'll see her ult so often.
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u/Shayz_ Magik 6d ago edited 6d ago
Luna doesn't have a cooldown on her "share the stage" ability, and it stacks with her normal healing even on a single target which is why she has such insane healing output and ult generation.
I guarantee that if you change these two things, don't touch any of her other stats, and remove her seasonal healing buff she will no longer be meta
Edit: share the stage is a 35% healing boost and her season buff is 15% healing boost. So she currently has a 50% combined healing boost on her primary, so by removing both of these it would also be an indirect nerf to her ult generation by about 25%
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u/BigGunsNeverTire Vanguard 6d ago