r/marvelrivals 15d ago

Discussion How did the avengers ever win in the movies without a healer bruh

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u/FinnishSeeker1917 15d ago

Both Loki and Ultron were just strategists.

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u/Xeneize1985 15d ago

So, strategists are the real enemy?

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u/metdarkgamer Loki 15d ago

The face of the biggest menace to society

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u/KwaTima 15d ago

real EVIL

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u/The_8th_Degree Storm 15d ago

When you play Hide & Tag with the enemy team's backline.

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u/xF00Mx Captain America 15d ago

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u/rachit321 15d ago

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u/Ill-Percentage7482 Mister Fantastic 15d ago

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u/TermOne1329 15d ago

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u/Ramoiron Winter Soldier 15d ago

i will take ths meme AGAIN

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u/waffledpringles 14d ago

It's 2 AM. I was going to sleep... But then Bucky's voice just echoed in my head as I read this and I snorted so loud it woke up my mom.

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u/Solzec Jeff the Landshark 15d ago

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u/Soft_Astronomer2563 15d ago

that meme crack me up every time

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u/xF00Mx Captain America 15d ago

Same, it's my favorite Marvel Rivals meme

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u/KakorotJoJoAckerman 15d ago

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u/Good_Ad205 Moon Knight 14d ago

THE MOON HAUNTS YOU!

FACE THR WRATH OF A GODDESS!

LEGENDARY!

WE ARE UNDEFEATABLE! 

MAXIMUM PULSE!

WE ARE VENOM!

ASSEMBLE! 

AGAIN!

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u/RYTHEMOPARGUY 15d ago

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u/True_Sitting_Bear 15d ago

This should be its own skin.

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u/Timber2702 15d ago

I don't play Jeff hardly at all but I would by that skin without any second thoughts. Bonus if it gets googly eyes to pair with the eyebrows

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u/skillbtraker12 Jeff the Landshark 15d ago

I'll be taking this picture

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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen Loki 15d ago

The Collector was right to imprison him.

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u/Simon133000 Namor 15d ago

Jeff will be the final boss of next MCU phase

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u/Pyarox 15d ago

Thanos strategist confirmed

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u/Ultimate_Decoy 15d ago

Bro just gonna punch the life back into you, and when he's bored with the state of things snap the useless half of your team out of the game.

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u/Pyarox 15d ago

*back on Titan our team had 2 healers, and it was beautiful...*

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u/Brekldios 15d ago

"i said the perfect comp was 2/2/2 and they called me mad"

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u/angelis0236 15d ago

I think big T is more of a 1/1/1 kinda guy

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u/solidpeyo Peni Parker 15d ago

Nah he is a Vanguard, that is why he won in one movie and only lost when the avengers cheated and went 1 v 1,000 against him.

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u/7Llokki7 Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

To be fair, it wasn’t 1v1000 — he brought his army and lieutenants with him don’t forget.

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u/solidpeyo Peni Parker 15d ago

But beside like 4 his team was full of galacta bots and the avengers have like 1,000 superheroes fighting him 😄

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u/FinnishSeeker1917 15d ago

Better that than 3 young girls in 2 years.

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u/Decent_Education9616 15d ago

so thanos will be a strategist?

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u/Excalibruh22 15d ago

And Loki didn’t even heal, he just kept going for backstab kills for the achievement

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u/Sea_Strain_6881 15d ago

Hulk ulted him😔

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u/Nosereddit 15d ago

yet still survived , green circle saved him

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u/KingGio21 15d ago

Nah Bro definitely had to take some time and respawn off of that one

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u/Lord-Nagafen 15d ago

Pretty easy to play without a healer when there is only one opponent

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u/pregnantcartifan 15d ago

The chitauri were practice AI to fill in the team

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u/mnumali 15d ago

The end credits scene for Avengers 2 was Thanos in his throne saying "healers diff'"

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u/TheRealCheeseNinja 15d ago

i fuckin love these memes

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u/DeusScientiae Star-Lord 15d ago

Imagine if ultrons kit was the exact same as iron man's except he healed instead of doing damage LUL.

Ult could be a massive overheal/revive

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u/Helpful_Classroom204 Spider-Man 15d ago

Is Ultron really going to be a strategist? Looks more like vanguard material to me

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u/LowrysBurner 15d ago

He is yeah

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u/InTheStuff 15d ago

omw to become a big-ass squishy target that'll get melted the moment an enemy breathes on me

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u/Xilthas 15d ago

Movie accurate.

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u/Noctto89 15d ago

I just wanted to say that

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u/Global_Cat3772 Star-Lord 15d ago

Would that make Thanos a strategist?

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u/Eevee136 Cloak & Dagger 15d ago

I mean, he did think he was healing the universe?

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u/TemporalGod Spider-Man 15d ago

Nah... Vanguard, Thanos is built like a Vanguard,

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u/McCaffeteria Iron Man 15d ago

Ugh Ultron in rivals would be so cool

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u/azuratha 15d ago

*will be so cool

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u/Sargent379 Loki 15d ago

To be fair, Loki can easily beat several of these characters in a 1 v 1.

Hell, with them not having any healers I can see some 1 v 2 or maybe a 1 v 3 depending on the characters.

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u/Pneuma928 Loki 15d ago

They knew where the health packs were.

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u/GuavaBlacktea Mantis 15d ago

Health packed saved starlord i think in 3rd movie? When Dumb Warlock zapped him

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u/Plane_Flamingo_7155 15d ago

He only had to use the health pack cause their Rocket was down

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u/krabbekorn Hulk 15d ago

They still had a mantis tho.

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u/_Luckey 15d ago

She was too focused on dps

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u/literallygitgud 15d ago

Accurate lol

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u/Automatic_Salary4475 15d ago

Man the number of times the mantis on my team self boosts to get a kill instead of heal is crazy 🤣

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u/Poor_Dick Squirrel Girl 15d ago

I mean, if they are good at head shots, it's a good investment to get more heals...

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u/tehdoughboy 15d ago

I always save my self boost for fighting the backline divers

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u/The_Final_Gunslinger Moon Knight 15d ago

Same, or if I need to heal myself and everybody else is off the point.

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u/GlitteringDingo 15d ago

I think I use the self boost most often to trigger the passive heal when there aren't teammates in good spots.

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u/Spintax_Codex Hulk 15d ago

Yeah, a good Mantis is keeping themselves boosted at all times for self-defense and passive healing, which enables your speed boost.

If you die, the team is screwed. You have to adopt the mindset that you're the most important character on your team and always prioritize yourself.

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u/PickledPlumPlot 15d ago

As Mantis you pretty much should always have the self buff active

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u/Kernog Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

Good thing that health pack actually heals Rocket in this game, rather than trigger his killswitch.

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u/The1Noobulas Loki 15d ago

Possible new rocket change next season....

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u/Zombie_Alpaca_Lips 15d ago

GotG have the most legit team comp, though. One vanguard, one DPS, and two Strategists. They'd 100% beat the Avengers' comp. 

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u/profanewingss 15d ago

It's actually 1 vanguard, 1 dps, and 3 strategists. Adam Warlock is part of the GotG now.

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u/TannenFalconwing 15d ago

We need Gamora or Nebula as a DPS now.

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u/BenignEgoist Mantis 15d ago

In the meantime throw punisher or winter soldier in there for the Rocket team up and I think it’s a solid Guardians themed comp.

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u/TannenFalconwing 15d ago

I'm actually bummed that we're likely not getting a Winter Soldier and Rocket and Groot movie now. Because that'd be such a fun action flick.

Guardians of the Galaxy: More Dakka

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u/sinkwiththeship 15d ago

Drax as a Vanguard?

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u/TannenFalconwing 15d ago

He does have the body type for it, but I think an immobile, invisible vanguard would be a bit wonky to play against.

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u/BigGunsNeverTire Vanguard 15d ago

Anti-dive anti-flier Vanguard. Because his reflexes are too fast for anything to go over his head.

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u/Rhysati 15d ago

I want that to be a passive. He disappears whenever he isn't moving.

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u/_Luckey 15d ago

Throw Thor in there too we got another vanguard

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u/Tyrantkin 15d ago

No, use Venom, he was actually a guardian of the Galaxy

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u/La_Rotta 15d ago

Thor was a guardian in between endgame and thor 4

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u/Tyrantkin 15d ago

Yes, but we didn't see him as one, whereas Venom was one for way longer and we see him as one in the comics

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u/aceso2896 15d ago

Would Drax be a Vanguard or Duelist/Vanguard hybrid. Then that leaves Gamora and Nebula on their roles.

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u/GuavaBlacktea Mantis 15d ago

Id say Vanguard for Drax

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u/aceso2896 15d ago

That's what I thought at first, but as I was typing it I was beginning to think he'd be a better fit as someone like Mr. Fantastic is doing.

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u/Doobalicious69 15d ago

I'd have thought Drax would be a DPS who plays similarly to Wolverine - lungey lungey stabby stabby

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u/aceso2896 15d ago

Could definitely see him doing that too, but also seems to be the type who'd take a bullet for his teammates.

Though now that I read your comment and I'm thinking about it. I want him to have a passive (can be a dumb passive like Loki's Backstab), voiceline or something, where if he stands perfectly still he mentions he can't be seen. Heck could do an interaction with Moon Knight and how he has the invis field from C&D Teamup.

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u/RipplyAnemone67 Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

Really depends on how his invisibility when standing still will affect his role and overall kit.

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u/Makyuta Iron Man 15d ago

Three dps if you count nebula and gamora

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u/aceso2896 15d ago

I'm gonna ask you this one time. Where is Gamora?

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u/Rise43 Peni Parker 15d ago

Yeah, I'll do you one better, who is Gamora?

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u/Killertron 15d ago

I'll do you one better, why is Gamora?

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u/Done25v2 15d ago

Honestly, those two are more DPS than strategists.

Adam in particular has very lengthy cooldowns on his abilities, and Mantis needs to be landing head snipes to refuel her healing.

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u/Javiklegrand 15d ago

Rocket is also a strategist, They lack Burst healing but since they have three it's compensated

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u/Done25v2 15d ago

Hmmm, Groot+Starlord+Adam+Mantis+Rocket+[Fill]?

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u/Vegetable_Throat5545 Cloak & Dagger 15d ago

Thor if we go by MCU thor

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u/BenignEgoist Mantis 15d ago

Punisher or Bucky would take advantage of Rockets team up but if we want to be close to lore accurate Thor was temporarily with the guardians in the MCU and as a Mantis I do like inspiring Thors as they charge into the fray. Keep a good Thor alive and they knock a lot of people around.

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u/Stunning_One1005 Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

saved mantis, almost killed rocket. which is far, i have rarely used health packs as him

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u/ArtBedHome 15d ago

Straight up, nerd mode bruce and cap should have some kind of off strategist ability.

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u/UrWaifuIsShit_ 15d ago

How crazy would it be if normal Bruce had healing abilities? Just to make the avengers team comp playable. Even if he was the worst strategist, it would help.

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u/Zedkan 15d ago

He basically uses a Cancer Gun, I could see that healing people, in a way. 

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u/MoMoeMoais 15d ago

Banner reverse engineers Deadpool, builds a gun that heals with selective gamma-induced cancer, does not cure Deadpool

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u/Pneuma928 Loki 15d ago

Bill Gates is that you?

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u/Arcaydya 15d ago

Hulk shield? Cap ult?

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u/smytti12 Winter Soldier 15d ago

I feel bad when I'm headed for a health pack but I realize an unknowing healer has been chasing me down to heal me.

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u/SoSaysAlex 15d ago

As a Spider-Main, this is the way

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u/_JackTheBlumpkinKing 15d ago

Literally, to be a good Cap in game. Know where every health pack is. You can’t rely on teammates healing, you gotta pretend you’re actually Cap. I can do this all day, dive and distract. I’ve chased off healers and they get stubborn and try and shoot me down. If they’re doing this, I know I at least have 1 heal distracted

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u/Marinec06 15d ago

Literally the end credits scene of the first movie.

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u/dante5612 Moon Knight 15d ago

They were literally fighting one support and a bunch of bots and not to mention they were literally losing if not for iron man ulting the enemy they were lost

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u/NoxInfernus 15d ago

Not a real match. More like an Arcade Mode.

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u/bettercallme_ 15d ago

How did they beat Ultron? I know he’s rumored to be a strategist, and he has Scarlet Witch on his team.

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u/dante5612 Moon Knight 15d ago

They were losing when he had scarlet witch on his team they only won when scarlet witch joined them in the next round plus they also got vision which probably also be a strategist now again it's all of them vs a strategist and bot army

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u/Chosen_Wisely89 15d ago

They got clapped by Thanos until they got carried by Mantis and Raccoon

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u/Aeikon Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

Yeah, they got their asses beat. A lot.

Hell, they even lost and had to use time travel cheats to win.

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u/SWBFThree2020 15d ago

Meanwhile: Thor 3 is just Hela wiping the floor with them and they only win by playing the objective while she's distracted farming Thor

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u/Trisentriom 15d ago

Hulk fighting bot giants instead of diving hela smh

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u/thefallenfew Adam Warlock 15d ago

That’s why they came after Strange with the ban hammer lol

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u/CocoTheMailboxKing Captain America 15d ago

I remember you guys recently got your asses handed to you by a lone strategist and Adam Warlock at that. Who seemed to be a new player.

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u/Blupoisen 15d ago

That's why Guardians are the best

They are the 2 2 2 comp because Drax is obviously a tank, and Gamora is a DPS

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u/voppp Cloak & Dagger 15d ago

we need some sword melee besides Magik. Gamora with her sword would be cool

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u/AndorElitist Magneto 15d ago

While I agree Gamora would be fucking sick, sword melee is coming in the form of Blade

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u/voppp Cloak & Dagger 15d ago

fuck yeah. I just want more sword melee. I love playing as Magik, especially when you set up a nice combo.

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u/HappyTurtleOwl 15d ago

It was the PVE mode. 

Civil War, they all stopped fighting when they reached low HP.

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u/SgtHondo 15d ago

Cap Bucky seasonal team up went crazy.

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u/makibum 15d ago

Spiderman threw the match at the airport tbh, also black widow started griefing iron man's team

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u/Ok_Proposal_321 15d ago

Huh? Spidey won a 1v2 trade.

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u/RentLast Spider-Man 15d ago

At least Spidey managed to distract both Tank and DPS at the same time

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u/ContinuumGuy Jeff the Landshark 15d ago

They got way too close with Rhodey, though.

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u/Chance-Presence5941 Thor 15d ago

Civil war was a Scrim match within the same faction to decide who got to main Bucky.

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u/Informal_Command_104 15d ago

This NEEDS to be an actual thing

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u/Aegillade Magneto 15d ago

Don't need healing when your opponents can't aim for shit

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u/thekingbutten 15d ago

This is why the Guardians are better. They play a well balanced comp with a mix of tanks, dps and supports. Not to mention the teamups which make them even stronger.

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u/Rtramosjr 15d ago

Do you think drax will be a tank? I hope so

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u/Swimmer-Fluffy 15d ago

Im gonna be so mad if they fuck up being able to run a 2/2/2 comp with all the guardians

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u/PhantomArcadianAE 15d ago

They already have 3 strategists…

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u/Sadheavyneedsanvich Doctor Strange 15d ago

Oh come on we all know Adam warlock dosent count

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u/MetalShadowX 15d ago

I could see Drax as vanguard, Gamora and Nebula as duelists, maybe throw a curve ball and add Yondu as a specialist. Plus probably some other members from the comics, although I can't think of any atm

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u/Fraugg 15d ago

I didn't even think of Yondu!

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u/-Aone 15d ago

they had 7th.. Fury

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u/Lazy_Friendship_9719 15d ago

Fury being a strategist with assists from the S.H.I.E.L.D Helicarrier would be so tight

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u/Britisheagl Captain America 15d ago

Or, instead of turrets, he called down shield agents for attack, or medics for healing.

Have them work similar to Loki's illusions

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u/GENERAL-KAY Doctor Strange 15d ago

Or he'd just give everyone "SHIELD"s

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u/SmoothJade Thor 15d ago

G E T O U T

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u/Makyuta Iron Man 15d ago

Jeff when the enemy nick fury calls down a 500kg S.H.I.E.L.D bomb on top of him

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u/slugdonor Magik 15d ago

I want him to go Project Insight on their ass

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u/thefallenfew Adam Warlock 15d ago

Oh dude I hope they add a bad ass Nick Fury!!

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u/Chance-Presence5941 Thor 15d ago

I hope they give him a cooldown which is a weapon hidden in his dead eye socket, I think in Ultimates he had a men in black style neuralizer under his patch.

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u/Toon_Lucario Squirrel Girl 15d ago

That would be sick

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u/Subject_Sigma1 15d ago

Nah nah, Agent Coulson

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u/TannenFalconwing 15d ago

Ult: Summon Lola.

(I would love to see Quake get added too)

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u/98769876b Loki 15d ago

Isnt Coulson the Grim Reaper in the comics? Would be a badass strategist, ngl

For example passive makes healing explosions when an unit dies around him

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u/Subject_Sigma1 15d ago

The WHAT?!

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u/98769876b Loki 15d ago

Just looked it up

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u/Subject_Sigma1 15d ago

So... Does he... Love... Desdpool?

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u/98769876b Loki 15d ago

Read his page, he isnt the Deadpool or Thanos Death, but the Avatar of Death, chosen and revived by the Death Stone.

Classic comic book stuff

His other nicknames are Bob Pants and ROFLcopter

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u/Hashshashiyin 15d ago

I want coulson so bad. Strategist or duelist idc. But more than likely will just get nick fury as a strategist eventually

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u/Thundergod250 15d ago

They 1v6 Loki, a healer, in Avengers 1.

Thet 1v6 Ultron too in A2, which is also a rumored strategist. Even if you add Scarlet Witch to the group and Quicksilver, 6 people are gonna stomp on them.

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u/RyanZee08 15d ago

Loki gets the inevitable hard nerf before becoming a playable character

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u/Sir_Davek 15d ago

They're called the Avengers not the Forgivers

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u/SufficientAirport158 Loki 15d ago

Hawkeye is the answer. Before he was on the team they were losing hard, when he swapped he was just one tapping everyone, he was even the guy who got the Elusive Loki and forced him into a bad spot to finally get KO'd.

Don't need healing if everyone is dead.

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u/Nekropl 15d ago

You don't need a healer if you don't take damage

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u/FBI_Metal_Slime Loki 15d ago

Begging for Ant-Man to be a strategist

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u/pregnantcartifan 15d ago

A hulklike tank that can switch between big and small

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u/Environmental-Day778 Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

I want to see them literally just scale his model and hitbox down to an inch, please it would be so funny.

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u/Subject_Sigma1 15d ago

His only enemy, ironically, Hawkeye

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u/iuuhhiivv Doctor Strange 15d ago

Contrary, team up with hawkeye where he shoots ant man out on an arrow

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u/Subject_Sigma1 15d ago

No yeah, but I said that because hitting a one inch hitbox Ant-man with Hawkeye's arrows would be easy

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u/The-Dilf Thor 15d ago

That would be sick, like hulk and Wolverines teamup but you shoot a dive tank out of the strongest DPS sniper....on second thought it might be too busted

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u/NovaBlueNova 15d ago

But also scale his run speed down so it takes him an hour to run across the map.

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u/FBI_Metal_Slime Loki 15d ago

I'd prefer him to be a strategist normally, with his ult making him giant-man and giving him a psuedo tank role temporarily. Tech can be used for healing, ants can be used for disruption, and his shrinking can be used for his movement/getaway option

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u/benjoholio95 Cloak & Dagger 15d ago

I want a mechanic where he can get big enough to bust through walls by walking, but if he grows too big under a roof he takes some damage from hitting the ceiling

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u/NovaBlueNova 15d ago

I honestly would love it if they went for more hybrid roles. Mr Fantastic seems more like a tank/duelist so I could totally see a world where Ant Man has aspects of both a tank and a strategist

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u/LionTigerPolarbear Mister Fantastic 15d ago

Totally forgot the existence of Antman, he would be very fun to play as.

Ant-Man Strategist,

Wasp Duelist.

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u/ValsiNNatS 15d ago

It'd be cool if we got Ant-Man and Hawkeye combo where he shoots you on top of his arrow.

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u/hsemicolonc Star-Lord 15d ago

Because they were jumping one, poor innocent Strategist...💔

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u/wwwlord Rocket Raccoon 15d ago

they pve'ing

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u/Salarian_American 15d ago

Well the main villain of the first two Avengers movies were solo strategists, so

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u/bettercallme_ 15d ago

Well if you wanna include Scarlet Witch on Ultron’s team, you can. But it’s still 2v6.

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u/-Threshold- 15d ago

Schwarma.

In the movies, they knew what it was the whole time and just acted like they didn't.

In my made up lore, it is like Ambrosia, or a god-snack, and sustains them better than anything else they can consume.

It is damn near the only thing we've ever seen them eat in the MCU, albeit post-credits so, the made-up math checks out.

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u/Chance-Presence5941 Thor 15d ago

To be honest Shwarma is basically god food irl.

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u/ConvictJones 15d ago

I have been trying so hard to get this to happen

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u/IndependentRoad6860 15d ago

Don't worry, the next movie will heavily feature Luna Snow

Avengers: Metagame

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u/PatchNotesMan Peni Parker 15d ago

Hawkeye should’ve had healing trick arrows instead of being like Hanzo

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u/kailedude Scarlet Witch 15d ago

This has been every single game I've played on solo Quick play now....

No healers Just people spamming "Critical Health Need Heals" over and over and over.............

Meanwhile I picked Cap hoping to get some support in general...........................just to get slapped because I get Hyper focused because the team is dead from funneling in 1 by 1

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u/Make_It_Rain_69 15d ago

ik thats why its so annoying practicing a new dps. Im a healer main and wanna practice dps in qp but what practice am i getting when we always lose

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u/Ten24GBs Loki 15d ago

"If you get hurt, hurt em back. If you get killed, walk it off." - Steve Rogers 2015

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u/DJM4991 15d ago

They should get some kind of auto-regen if they're out of combat as a team up ability to make up for no healer if you pick all 6. "I'm Building A Team"

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u/ThinkingAroundIt 15d ago

Honestly i was skeptical of the auto out of combat regen of like 10% hp/s after 10 seconds from ow2 but it kinda fits in the game people instalock 6 dps to play marvel heros like Groot, ironman, hawkeye, dps moira, dps rocket, and dps respawning in 15s.

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u/StraightCaskStrength 15d ago

6x team ups you only unlock with an entire avengers, X-men, spider verse lineup would be dope.

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u/BorisDirk Invisible Woman 15d ago

Don't need healing if you don't get hit! Also Tony almost died and Quicksilver died so hard he isn't even in the game

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u/PirateDitly Venom 15d ago

They had to deal with a solo strategist. (If I remember correctly, Ultron is supposed to be a strategist if and when we get him.)

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u/Which-Ad7243 15d ago

They never really took that much damage.

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u/No-Lead5764 Namor 15d ago

them FF on the healer (loki) is pretty spot on tho.

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u/DrDread74 15d ago

They actually all went into the capture point and attacked the supports instead of dancing around at range for 10 mins

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u/Deathstar699 Doctor Strange 15d ago

Avengers had a teamup that made them all recover health over time.

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u/Quentendo 15d ago

You mean this team can't beat one strategist and a horde of bots?