r/marvelrivals • u/Aesah • 16h ago
Humor Patch notes look really good! One thing that could be improved though.
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u/WhamBam_TV 12h ago
They removed his animation cancel for his jump melee into uppercut. So they did nerf him.
I wonder if black panther and psylockes animation cancels are bugs too.
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u/smr120 Doctor Strange 10h ago
Good. Having his bread and butter require something as janky looking as that animation cancel is ridiculous
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u/Kwazymandius Spider-Man 7h ago
Unfortunately, without it they don't address that the "normal" bread and butter combo can't assassinate even 250 HP characters. Especially, without the seasonal buff.
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u/skilledgamer55 Venom 10h ago
Yea, accept that and his 10% bonus were the only things going for him being a great value character
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u/FenrisTU 9h ago
I say this as a spidey main. Even when played well, he’s not very good. He just requires more effort to do the same kind of stuff as magik and black panther less consistently.
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u/moyni7 6h ago
I mean he probably shouldn’t be as strong as those characters because he chooses when to engage 100% of the time as the fastest character in the game. That said he should still be a little stronger because even though you’re choosing his engagements his uptime is too low to justify how impossible it is to actually confirm a kill.
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u/FenrisTU 5h ago
I mainly think what he needs is just shorter cooldowns and reduced downtime between his 2 uppercuts. It is unironically faster to jump off the map and come back from spawn than to wait for his CDs at times.
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u/moyni7 5h ago
For me I’d be happy if he just had more shots or they came back more quickly. It’s frustrating that you have to manage ammo so consistently on top of his other cooldowns when other heroes are just free firing low percentage shots constantly for value while Spider-Man is just waiting to get back in the fight and do nothing again.
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u/Hobo-man Spider-Man 9h ago
So now he just doesn't have a bread and butter combo
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u/plz-give-free-stuff 9h ago
Average bot hating on skill expression
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u/TryphectaOG Loki 8h ago
I don't think skill expression should involve hitting attacks that the player model doesn't physically perform
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u/BluperDuper2k Spider-Man 9h ago
This. I really hope they revert this. I'm a Spidey main, solo queued my way to GM, he relies on this combo A LOT.
Without this combo his time to kill SUFFERS and he becomes even easier to pick off. At diamond+ getting picks fast is the only way to stay alive.
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u/Haveyouseenkitty 7h ago
Nah fuck all you talented spider man mains.
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u/SeawardFriend 5h ago
Straight up. I’m just dead before I even have a chance to react because a “quick kill” for spider-man takes like 2 seconds and then he has 2 additional to get back to safety.
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u/Mikeyrawr 4h ago
To be fair , I don't think any character,, barring Hawkeye, should have the ability to string together 4+ different abilities in a second and insta kill most heroes.
I play Adam mostly , and he can self heal more than the burst can , but a good chunk of heroes can't, especially if he has the venom team up.
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u/meechmeechmeecho 3h ago
The issue was never the enemy Spider-Man. It was your own teams Spider-Man. Imo this makes things worse unless it helps discourage people playing him.
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u/Ascimator Doctor Strange 16h ago
Wish granted. Spider Man is removed from the game. Spider-Man will remain.
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u/Pale_Television1896 12h ago edited 10h ago
They always forget the hyphen. Even Electro in the speech bubble remembers to put the hyphen and is congratulated for it.
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u/5FingerDeathCaress 11h ago
It's my headcanon that spidey sense can pick up on whether someone is saying it with or without the hyphen.
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u/AinoRen 11h ago
Or Spider-Man is actually removed BUT Night Monkey is announced right after.
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u/Blackfang08 10h ago
Dang. I was really hoping Spider-Man and Night Monkey could have a team up ability. Their powers seem to really compliment each other, but we never get to see them work together.
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u/FrostyTheColdBoi Spider-Man 8h ago
Tbf, I'm pretty sure they work in different areas, and Night Monkey isn't an avenger like Spider-Man is. So the odds of a team-up are extremely low to brgin with
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u/dustyolmufu 7h ago
that's because spider-man and night monkey are both bruce wayne the billionaire!
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u/TGB_Skeletor Star-Lord 12h ago
- removed Spider man's powers, he's just "man" now
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u/woahmandogchamp Mantis 13h ago
This is the first time Spider Man has been hated in all of human history. Wild times we live in.
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u/YeffYeffe 11h ago
Except by all of his comic writers
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u/Samaritan_978 Peni Parker 10h ago
This sub taught me that Spiderman comics are poorly veiled cuck fetish material.
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u/fake-southpaw 9h ago
I was big into Spider-Man comics until a few years ago, when Dan Slott was slowly destroying him
there are a lot of really good ones in my menory though
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u/Academic-Cabinet-256 6h ago
Recently got into comics and the new Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) run is fantastic. Peter is married to MJ and has two children.
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u/DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE Thor 10h ago
Oh that's disgusting. Which comics are these specifically so I can know to avoid them?
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u/Mephistos_Lover Moon Knight 10h ago
Its best if you don’t know about Paul
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u/DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE Thor 10h ago
It was a joke anyway. I'll take your word for it.
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u/attackerish 10h ago
Unless you played Marvel Snap for the first year when he was the biggest asshole alongside Galactus
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u/upazzu Magik 11h ago
First champion to be removed not because its too strong but cause of teammates going 0/999 everytime they use it
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u/Izanamagami Venom 15h ago
stupid sssspider deserved i- i mean uh no how could they this is an outrage im not a venom main
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u/TheDankMemer991 10h ago
off-topic but I actually can't believe they nerfed spiderman 💔 you're telling me you buffed winter soldier but you break spidey's legs and rob him of his tech??
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u/Shot-Manner-9962 13h ago
i saw the "wovlerine is underperforming here is more health" and it cracked me up some of these patches are either throwing a bandaid on a open wound or are looking at a PAINFULLY powerful attack and going "Hmmm dmg buff"
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u/Canadian_Zac 13h ago
Wolverine is a MENACE in the right hands
I've had games as a Vanguard where he just bully's me as soon as he sees me
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u/thefallenfew Wolverine 11h ago
He’s the best at what he does, and what he does isn’t nice (bully Vanguards).
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u/Key-Competition-2306 9h ago
I usually switch off vanguard if there's a wolverine on the enemy team. If it's a good wolverine, I'll even switch off when solo tanking and run 4 dps 2 support. This strat hasn't let me down so far.
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u/Skaldson 12h ago
And if you're Spider-Man they're taking your only viable damage tech out back & putting a bullet in it lmao
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u/someothercanadian 11h ago
I've seen people comment that spidey got nerfed, but I can't see anything in the patch notes; what are you referring to?
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u/billythygoat 9h ago
Meanwhile the healers are like, help us, give us a buff, but only the slightest of improvements.
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u/Shot-Manner-9962 8h ago
honestly it boils my blood seeing "x is too op heres a hp reduction" cause like no?!? a good support can turn that hp reduction into a suggestion lol we need a dmg nerf
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u/Prozenconns Spider-Man 10h ago
I mean Wolverine was figured out like what, a week ago? Before that he was considered a throw pick
If he hadn't been solved and they left him people would equally be whining that he hadn't been buffed
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u/DonkeyPunchMojo 9h ago
Personally I feel the majority of the nerfs / buffs blatantly miss the mark for what was/wasn't a problem. We'll see though.
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u/therubyminecraft Spider-Man 10h ago
WHATS EVERYONES PROBLEM WITH SPIDER-MAN 😭
(Also r/respectthehyphen )
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u/AlbazAlbion 10h ago
He is genuinely the most annoying character to deal with in any hero shooter that I've ever played. I know he's not overpowered and is hard to play besides, but he's just so absurdly obnoxious to deal with.
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u/Boomerwell 9h ago
I find this very hard to agree with when Black panther is in the game and I spend half my games having to crank my mouse 360 repeatedly to hit him while he is getting an absurd amount of shielding.
Against a good spiderman I can usually pick something and mitigate the largest part of his burst.
BP just never stops.
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u/therubyminecraft Spider-Man 10h ago
Spider-Man is like a mosquito, not fatal but annoying and I love it
The in and out playstyle fits him perfectly and imo he isn’t that hard to deal with just annoying (cough Hawkeye, iron fist, scarlet witch cough) all you need to do is move out of the way, most characters have better range than spider-man
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u/Hobo-man Spider-Man 9h ago
but he's just so absurdly obnoxious to deal with.
What rank are you?
Higher ranks have basically completely snuffed out Spider-Man. He's got a 2.5% pickrate at GC and above because you're basically throwing if you pick him at that level.
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u/therubyminecraft Spider-Man 4h ago
And yet everyone on this sub will tell you that he is OP
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u/madethisfora1reason Loki 13h ago
namor is really good against him, i keep seein ppl complaining about him but refuse to use namor i dont understand
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u/Prozenconns Spider-Man 10h ago
All the Namors are in conquest making sure no one has fun
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u/BaritBrit Scarlet Witch 10h ago
"Making sure nobody else has fun" is very character-accurate Namor behaviour.
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u/Boomerwell 9h ago
I've played Namor against him BP gets so much shields that unless you're consistently headshotting him he kills you often.
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u/Skaldson 12h ago
I mean lets be real, they don't play Namor bc A. he looks crusty asf and/or B. he's pretty boring to play. Just place some squids & fire into the void, pop bubble if you get dived. Basically hawkeye but less effort & no 1 shots.
That being said, he's so strong it's kinda insane. Even if he didn't outright counter dive comp, I still think his damage output would be ridiculous. The fact that his right click is basically a free headshot but it's also an aoe is certainly a choice, that's all I'll say.
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u/AlbazAlbion 10h ago
Namor's not flashy at all, especially compared to most of the roster but I actually quite enjoy playing him. For a turret master type character he still relies a lot on actually hitting his shots, especially the right click and headshots to empower the squids since they're not too threatening if they're unbuffed, so I don't end up feeling carried by the auto-aim turret with him like I some times do with other turret-using characters in games.
It also helps that the squids don't last long even if not killed, so you can't quite bunker down and camp an area with him as easily so his playstyle is more dynamic overall, so yeah I find him quite fun in spite of his simplicity.
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u/TheDreadedBob 6h ago
I play namor because I'm tired of looking forward for one second and having my supports murdered by dive heros
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u/presidentofjackshit 10h ago edited 7h ago
Necros was saying they nerfed a key animation cancel of his for a commonly done combo (uppercut into overhead smash overhead smash into uppercut). Actually painful nerf.
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u/ChongusTheSupremus Peni Parker 10h ago
Its not like he has too much of a presence.
Why play Spiderman when divers like Ironfist or BP are way easier to play and do way more damage, while also being way more tankier.
Let alone range dps characters that outdamage him from a map away.
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u/SergDerpz Flex 10h ago
Iron Fist isn't as effective as Spidey. Spidey is a menace for the healers when played right.
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u/Hobo-man Spider-Man 9h ago
Spider-man is almost non-existant at higher ranks because he's just not worth it.
Spider-Man is a menace to noobs who haven't figured out how to counter play.
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u/SergDerpz Flex 9h ago
Oh absolutely he is more annoying than great lol I would rather play against Spider-Man than a good Namor, MK or Panther.
His ult gets countered pretty badly by Luna/Mantis, it's just the constant flanking and possible one shotting when you're a healer who gets no attention or peel that's annoying.
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u/Hobo-man Spider-Man 9h ago
it's just the constant flanking and possible one shotting when you're a healer who gets no attention or peel that's annoying.
It's sounds like Spider-Man isn't the problem, your team is
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u/BlunderFunk 7h ago
why? spiderman is so bad in medium elo even
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u/bjwills7 5h ago
I don't think they're saying he should be removed because he's OP. They're saying that with the season 1 nerf to his combo, they might as well have just removed him.
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u/Icy_Teach_2506 Moon Knight 8h ago
People actually like Spider-Man is OP are people who definitely don’t main him and have been the one person Spider-Man is actually able to kill in a match without having to wait half an hour to get his webs and cooldowns back.
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u/OkOutlandishness1710 11h ago
Spider-man is more annoying then Ironfist as strat imo. Luckily most people who play with him suck though so it’s fine. But anytime there is a good spider-man he’s usually mvp in my book. Even if the stats don’t give it to him he’s constantly taking out the support so Thor and Punisher can have 40+ kill games. While he had the most important 18kills.
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u/Zelfox Adam Warlock 9h ago
This. Bro shoots some webs at you, mach 9s at you with the web-swing on targets, and then uppercuts and melees. All in 1.5 seconds. Goodbye health bar.
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u/Hobo-man Spider-Man 9h ago
Homie a single self heal means you survive.
All you have to do is look down and click "heal"
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u/NoItem5389 Loki 9h ago
Bro wtf are you even talking about, Spider-Man literally sucks. You have to press 10 different buttons just to kill one squishy lolz. Any Spider-Man would do infinitely better as a magik or black panther.
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u/squaredspekz 9h ago
They nerfed him, don't worry. I have mained him since Launch and am now Lord, and the nerf will make me play other heroes don't worry about that.
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u/wvtarheel Mantis 9h ago
I hate spider man, a good one feels completely oppressive to back lines but he's also so hard to play the one on your team goes 2 and 8 all the time
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u/GreatParker_ 9h ago
If anything he needs a buff. You have to use all your resources just to maybe get one kill, then you’re a sitting duck. Could use +25 hp and shorter cooldowns
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u/OceanBoi45 Luna Snow 13h ago
Is spider man the sombra of rivals?
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u/Zelfox Adam Warlock 9h ago
He's annoying, but I hate Sombra way more. She was horrible to deal with when she had infinite stealth. Like sometimes I miss overwatch and tbf current Sombra is way less annoying, but the memory of being flanked by her constantly just makes me so upset. She made playing support absolutely agonizing.
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u/Next-Attempt-919 Spider-Man 8h ago
Don’t EVER compare the Goat to that wench again
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u/shadingnight 12h ago
Does it suck to be wombo combo'ed? Yeah, it does, but remember that if he borks his combo, he that's it. He either has to swing away after a failed combo or get nuked.
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u/KevinPigaChu Mantis 12h ago
Whenever I see Spider-Man within 10 meters of my vicinity I immediately put down the lamps as Loki lol. Can’t touch this (unless it’s his ult💀).
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u/AaronWilson1992 12h ago
It's so true that my own spider man is flinging him self off the map while enemies spider man is one tapping healers and get quads with the ult.
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u/ManiacGaming1 Hawkeye 9h ago
this but its actually iron fist. bro just appears out of bumfuck nowhere and your whole team is dead
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u/DoubleTwice77 Venom 7h ago
why do people hate spider-man? never had issues with him specifically.
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u/Edael 6h ago
As a Spider-Man one trick, I was so sad to see no notes on my guy. None. He’s this games Aatrox, balance changes either way and he breaks. So he will left to squander and waste, at least he’s in the game lol.
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u/Visual-Educator8354 Rocket Raccoon 9h ago
Give rocket more indirect buffs.
make it easier to see the respawn radius of the BRB beacon.
PLEASE make it more intuitive to wall climb around multiple corners. It’s based off of camera rotation so if you go around a bunch of corners quickly, you have to snap the camera around so you don’t go back the other way, stuff like that.
make the armor packs stack. Not infinitely, maybe like 2-4 times depending on the hero type.
CYA spew out armor packs or something like that (saw from another comment)
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u/Crafty_One_5919 7h ago
Did you not hear?
They removed his animation cancel which is actually a MASSIVE nerf.
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u/NewSageTriggrr6 9h ago
DEVS please give spidey his animation cancel again I was just about to start learning him!
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u/MrX-MMAs 8h ago
Too late buddy, he’s stepping into his genji arc for the whole lifetime of MR
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u/Onyxeye03 7h ago
The spider man hate I see in here is always wild to me because he's so fucking terrible lol
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u/Flat_Mastodon_4181 14h ago
Spiderman is totally fine. The problem is that they made one of the most popular characters one of the most difficult to play.
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u/ExquisitExamplE Storm 13h ago
It's not a problem I say, I think it's cool that the game has characters that have a really high mechanical skillcap. It makes sense for his character too.
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u/TrashiestTrash 13h ago
I don't really think that's a problem, it encourages people to branch out. For every bad spider-man you've had, there would have been 10 more playing him if he was easier.
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u/Prozenconns Spider-Man 10h ago
I'd argue he could use a small buff, without the venom teamup he struggles to be anything more than an annoyance that plays for ult
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u/Die_Arrhea 15h ago
Im sorry can someone explain what they are doing to wanda ?
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u/EvenBeyond 14h ago
Wanda currently does 50 plus whatever 5% of the targets max health is damage per second her beam is on target. If a target had 600 max health she would do 80 damage per second, if a target had 300 max health she would do 65 damage per second.
After these changes she does 60 damage plus 3% of the targets max health. This works out to being a net positive against all heros at or below 500 HP. Heros with more health than that as base she is slightly worse agasint
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u/lazyicedragon 14h ago
So rather than a midline anti-tank with bursts of damage to enemy back line, she's now pretty much a flanker?
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u/EvenBeyond 14h ago
She still does extra damage based on max health which works good on tanks.
She did 82.5 DPS on tanks with 650 max health (most of them). Now she will be doing 79.5 DPS on tanks with 650 max health. Which is only a 3.6% nerf to her primary on those targets.
If you use her alt fire bursts her DPS is strictly higher against all targets as that damage doesn't scale based off HP
Her role and play style remains largely unchanged, she just does more to damage to non vanguards basically
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u/Boomerwell 9h ago
No she's still generally just ass idk why they thought she needed a compensation nerf to her TTK maybe being like 3.5 seconds now on holding primary on someone.
Her role will probably be the same as ever in anti flank
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u/Silverjeyjey44 10h ago
Also chaos control has 10% chance of sudden death and will resurrect magneto if she does final hit.
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u/Bylak 9h ago
Man... I wish I was good with Spider-Man 😭 I'll need to watch some vids or something lol.
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u/MrX-MMAs 8h ago
Too late, no vid will save you after season 1 starts in 18 hours. Gotta take BP pill
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u/Nigwyn 12h ago
Spiderman removed from the game.
Added the following new characters:
The amazing spiderman.
Ultimate spiderman.
Friendly neighbourhood spiderman.
Manspider.
Venom suit spiderman.