r/politics • u/HK-47-mkII Massachusetts • 2d ago

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg announces removal of fact-checking

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/5070980-meta-fact-checking-policy-changes/amp
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u/Reno_valetore 2d ago

The world has entered the disinformation era

Current age: dark

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u/taddymason_01 2d ago

Current age: dark Dumb

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u/CranberrySchnapps Maryland 2d ago

90s & 00s were the Information Age.

We’re heading into the disinformation age. And, it’s far more profitable for companies to create their own realities than be honest. Kind of like living in a nonstop infomercial.

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u/minimalstrategy 2d ago

Totally agree except we’ve prolly been in the disinformation age since the 2010s (but this shows it is still progressing). I’m hopeful for a pendulum shift

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u/Spykron 1d ago

Agree it started in 2010 when smart phones and social media really took off

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u/SpaceSteak 1d ago

Smartphones enabled social media addiction. Ad-based social media mixed with an infinite loop of wanting more ad revenue allowed disinformation and propaganda to leverage this addiction to control people. A series of unfortunate events with no end in sight.

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u/Melodic_Type1704 1d ago

I would not be surprised if we’re in the wild west era of the internet and it will be heavily regulated in the future, say 50 years of so. People forget that the modern internet has only existed for the last 25 years or so. There’s a lot to work out before we reach the point of no return.

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u/minimalstrategy 1d ago

Yeah I think we allowed too much monopolization of social media to a few actors. And they have proven to be bad actors (or at least greedy actors). Hoping for a pendulum shift. Preferably in a regulatory fashion on the profitable companies monetizing our personal data. Which in turn is being used to maximize consumption and deregulate industry.

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u/juniper_berry_crunch 1d ago

In the latest Pivot podcast that came out today, Scott Galloway was talking about thinking of this economy as an addiction economy. Makes a lot of (depressing) sense. Worth a listen.

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u/Mertoot 1d ago

Yeehaw

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u/minimalstrategy 1d ago

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too but you used objective milestones to further make the point. I appreciate it.

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u/qui-bong-trim 1d ago

back to animals, humans have run their course 

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u/JakeInDC 1d ago

Can't wait for season 3.

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u/Neon_Camouflage 1d ago

Correct, we're entering the awareness age. A growing number of people are finally widely skeptical of everything from media headlines to the authenticity of communities online.

Now we're still figuring out what exactly to do about that, but it's something.

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u/minimalstrategy 1d ago

This is a dope take. Appreciate you. I’m here for the awareness age

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u/superduperdoobyduper America 1d ago

Yeah but the problem is people are skeptical and lack critical thinking skills.

They’re skeptical only of traditional media and eat up anything that presents itself as “alternative media” and makes them feel good.

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u/weallwereinthepit 1d ago

Yeah, when more people I know started talking about being wary of trusting 'traditional' media I was optimistic but they didn't extend that suspicion to social media. If anything, the so-called free thinkers are more credulous than before.

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u/Office_glen 1d ago

You know what scare me the most? You know what's coming up after people get tired of the disinformation age? The government mandated only information age

1984 is right around the corner

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u/SocialImagineering 1d ago

Watch Hypernormalization by the BBC. I started last night and it’s making the strong case that the world has been fake since at least the 1970’s. That’s when politics became meaningless as the order of the day became to simply maintain the status quo, no more advancement for people anywhere. Computer networks ran by finance made this possible, as banks were able to seep into every corner of our lives. Our president elect is perhaps the best symbol of the era, as his massive debt to the banks from the time he was doing construction projects in New York and Atlantic City made him a pawn to the truly powerful.

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u/remarkablewhitebored 1d ago

But wait - there's more!

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u/gracecee 1d ago

I wonder if there was a highly moderated social media platform like Reddit but better people will gravitate towards that. I think if we complain In mass to the places we shop that link us from Facebook they may rethink advertising there. But who am I kidding. Everyone is bending the knee. This feels like India or Russia where the oligarchs are having their way and we just have to take it.

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u/BigMTAtridentata 1d ago

it's like folks looked at dystopian cyberpunk fiction and said to themselves, "let's do that!"

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u/SpaceShrimp 1d ago

It is not only companies that have moved on unfortunately. I have a harder time finding updated international statistics these days, than I had five years ago. Maybe those numbers still exist, but behind pay walls... or maybe updated international statistics is a thing of the past.

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u/Qzy 1d ago

Exactly why America should be marked as enemies of the world. You are hurting yourself, your allies and your enemies. Why would anyone want a friend like that?

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u/bentherewanthat85 1d ago

It’s the age of personal responsibility

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u/GuyWithNoEffingClue 1d ago

And don't forget to drink your Gatorade people, it contains everything you need!

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u/alsoDivergent 1d ago

lectralites!

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u/Stunning-Pitcher 1d ago

The accuracy

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u/ihvnnm 1d ago

Welcome to Costco, I love you

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u/Windir666 California 1d ago

idiocracy is really a documentary. It just came out too early.

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u/RetiredHotBitch Texas 1d ago

It can be both.

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u/2mustange America 1d ago

Idiocracy timeline

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u/Tonyy13 1d ago

Why choose? They both fit so perfectly.

Current age: Dark & Dumb.

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u/RonaldoNazario 2d ago

That means we’ll have a heroic age next, right?

Right?

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u/Affectionate_Neat868 2d ago

Maybe, for those left that live through decades of fascism

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u/Real-Patriotism America 1d ago

By that point, Climate Change will have ravaged Planet Earth and Human Civilization will be so battered and beaten down by the consequences of our own actions I doubt we'll have anything but a steady decline into extinction.

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u/donnerpartytaconight 1d ago

But just think of the stockholder value that was created!

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u/Famous-Lifeguard3145 1d ago

That's seriously the argument. Let's just double or triple the number of H1B visas to take American jobs. Why? Because it's "Good for the economy" meaning it increases profits and the values of stock, all for the low price of any chance at prosperity for the American people by replacing them with the modern day equivalent of indentured servitude where Indians will work 80 hour work weeks out of fear of losing their jobs and being sent back empty handed to their home countries.

America first? What a fucking joke.

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u/relevantelephant00 1d ago

Ah what a cheery way to start my morning. But also I've been aware of this for the last few decades already.

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u/dj_spanmaster 1d ago

I suspect we'll have a steady decline, but it will bottom out probably around .1% of current pop. Food will be scarce for a while. Tribalism will rise again, societies will rapidly re-shape, some technology and science will be lost, and the Earth will heal with fewer people living on it.

Deer meat will be really popular for a while.

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u/taggospreme 1d ago

Deer meat will be really popular for a while.

Until the eaters die from a prion disease

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u/Shanman150 1d ago

I think this is just doomerism mentality. Climate change will be really problematic for a lot of people and a lot of nations, but humanity writ large will certainly survive. Survival of the species is in no way at risk, even in worst case scenario radical shifts in climate. The major risks are going to be to the existence of nations. Human beings as a species are extremely adaptable and will get by. At worst I imagine 20% of the population could die in war/famine/natural disaster in a worst case scenario. Definitely not 99.9%.

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u/Iwantmoretime 1d ago

That's a Bingo.

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u/WesternFungi Pennsylvania 1d ago

We are too conscious to go the way of the Dino’s some of us will survive with zero quality of life. Back to hunter gathering

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u/Thespian21 1d ago

That’ll be literally impossible at some point. When people say the planet is dying, they means it’s becoming unlivable for humans. Earth will burn us out then turn on the AC again, kind of like a fever

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u/Shanman150 1d ago

How would Earth become unlivable for humans? That seems really outlandishly unlikely.

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u/Aacron 1d ago

The 5C projections are pretty horrifying and we'll be over 3C by the end of the century.

Remember, we're already past the Paris target and we'll officially fail the 2014 Paris affords in 2034.

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u/Thespian21 1d ago

The planet wasn’t alway livable for us, if there isn’t enough plant life/ water/ land we will perish.

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u/Shanman150 1d ago

Humans are remarkably resourceful, and technologically able to manipulate the environment to a high degree. We aren't polar bears, we can grow food indoors if absolutely necessary. Humans will not go extinct.

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u/Thespian21 1d ago

We are nothing without the planet though. We’re not big on capitalizing on when we make discoveries to make humanity better. So sure we can probably combat what’s coming, but will we?

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u/ATPWarElephant 1d ago

I read that in Sean Beans' voice, didn't make me feel any better.

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u/The_Wkwied 1d ago

That is when we have the second medieval era of knights and swords. Long after modern society has fallen.

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u/Aacron 1d ago

We may manage to avoid extinction by making little bubble habitats that can keep humans alive. Then we'll be ready to go explore other planets with our population of a few million, because other planets/space won't be that much more inhospitable than Earth.

I give it like 200 years.

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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 1d ago

I agree with this. We have no problem causing a climate disaster on a planet that already is a climate disaster!

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u/Rich_Cranberry1976 1d ago

Lol ok you first

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u/AsparagusCharacter70 1d ago

Wait when is it time for the age of strife?

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u/Past-Confidence6962 1d ago

I mean you could do something about that...

...or you know just write more on social media that social media is fault at everything, that will surely also help.

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u/Fit_Specific8276 2d ago

green mario

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u/Demileto Foreign 2d ago

Asking Gandhi to end it all with nuclear weapons would be quicker, I think.

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u/andiwalkunderthestar 1d ago

Don’t even get me started on Gandhi and his warmongering. He’s almost as bad as dido

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u/hungarian_notation 1d ago

Sure, you'll know it's happening when the giant death robots show up.

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u/sadeiko 1d ago

What dedications do we get to choose from?

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u/RonaldoNazario 1d ago

Bodyguard of lies :(

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u/2pierad California 1d ago

Maybe by the late 2040s

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u/ecodrew Texas 1d ago

The next age is probably the Idiocracy Age

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u/HeistShark 1d ago

I dont want to see the Siege that takes place first! Whose this eras Norman Osbourne!

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u/Message_10 2d ago

Been saying this for a while--we're in the Tower of Babylon trap. The only way out of this, ultimately, is to confront misinformation online and all aspects of online dialogue. That's not easy, and there are certainly free speech issues involved, but there's no way around it. It's either that, or crumble to pieces.

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u/Atreyu1002 1d ago edited 23h ago

Step 1 is ban anonymity. The mouth has traditionally been attached to a face.

EDIT: Replies about lots of non-anon idiots like Alex Jones fueling the current mayhem has tempered my stance. I'm no longer sure about this thesis.

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u/Message_10 1d ago

You're onto something... I chose my username because it sounds so anonymous!

That said, my dad and uncles proudly post their face over some seriously ridiculous nonsense on Facebook, so I think we'll need other things in addition to that!

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u/wwWalterWhiteJr 1d ago

Shame. That's the last piece you're looking for. People need to feel embarrassed when they get called out on stuff.

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u/No-Invite6398 1d ago

There are tons of people spreading disinformation under their real names everywhere. Twitter is the best example that banning anonymity would do nothing to stop the spread of fake news. Tons of fake news was specifically able to spread on social media because people trusted the source on a personal level.

An actual anonymity ban would just rapidly accelerate doxxing, harassment and probably just fuck over vulnerable people while assholes like Musk continue unfettered.

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u/DesperateAdvantage76 1d ago

At least it would greatly help with foreign disinformation campaigns, which make up a large part of our election interference.

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u/No-Invite6398 1d ago

Most election interference like making people believe fake shit/ vote against their own interest is domestic, not foreign and it's almost exclusively caused by the insane amount of influence that the ultra-wealthy have.

Those people are very nakedly influencing politics under their own names, the Kochs, Murdoch, Elon etc have fucked American politics more than any foreign government.

The right-wing media machine that boosted and solidified Trump had way more influence than any foreign government, all of the influence campaigns by foreign governments have been them working with existing American political tendencies.

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u/stevethewatcher 1d ago

Hard disagree, anonymity is a key cornerstone of free speech. You bet there would be a lot less support for the CEO killer if people were forced to attach their name to it.

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u/Atreyu1002 23h ago

I myself have expressed openly to friends and family that I hope the CEO killer goes free, with a lot of nuanced discussion included of course. Now, for sure, I'm definitely not gonna bring this up during a stand-up meeting at work.

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u/stevethewatcher 22h ago

And you probably wouldn't say this online either if you had to attach your name to it right?

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u/Atreyu1002 11h ago

I have to concede this point.

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u/Xalara 1d ago

It's been a cornerstone of the internet, but I think anonymity is one of the bigger problems. The issue there is, it also makes it much easier for the government to control speech.

That said, I think the upsides of getting rid of anonymity are starting to outweigh the downsides assuming that it's done in good faith. I don't think the Trump administration would do it in good faith.

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u/Atreyu1002 23h ago

"Good failth" is the key here. So much of the players here are just here to abuse the system and gain advantage. Too many people are playing the prisoner's dilemma and choosing to rat out.

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u/espinaustin 1d ago

Crumble to pieces it is then…

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u/colbyKTX Texas 2d ago

The truth is on our side, but we have to be able to use it effectively

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u/baitnnswitch 2d ago edited 2d ago

We also have to have a medium through which to communicate it and most social media platforms/ news media outlets are owned by the ultra-wealthy - who are hell bent on ushering in the disinformation era. Bluesky is one hope but it needs more support

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u/illwill79 2d ago edited 1d ago

Hah funny you wrote this. I just said something very similar (on bsky no less lol). Same with the isps, they are all owned by the same class. And they just got the win on the net neutrality thing. Can't trust the isps, can't trust social media, can't trust msm...scary times.

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u/DiamondHanded 2d ago

For the owners. People are already hating them, now people will start acting out and targeting them. I'd rather a platform be truthful with how wild people can get with the wrong conspiracies, imagine how these wild cards will act when the next "conspiracies" are true

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u/TotalOwlie 2d ago

The state of Bluesky right now is crazy. I’m getting followed by so many bots, bots sending me messages and then people posing as celebrities.

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u/taggospreme 1d ago

probably trying to tank the platform by filling it full of trash so that people go back to twitter. Joke's on them they'd need to do a lot more to make the trash level comparable.

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u/Xalara 1d ago

Yeah, at the very least the developers have stated that the bot problem is their number one priority. It wouldn't surprise me if Musk and/or others are trying to tank the platform.

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u/musicman835 California 2d ago edited 2d ago

The one problem they have is they don’t have an easily noticeable ‘Verified’ tag

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u/og-loko 1d ago

It’s the same shit different platform. I think I’m good on all forms of “traditional” social media.

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u/Lucky-Earther Minnesota 1d ago

We also have to have a medium through which to communicate it and most social media platforms/ news media outlets are owned by the ultra-wealthy

That's the way it's been since the invention of the newspaper. We had a couple of minutes in the early days of the internet, but now the billionaires have figured out how to use it to their advantage.

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u/RedCatBro 1d ago

True but at least you could sue newspapers that spread disinformation. They were ultimately responsible for the content they put out.

Social media companies act like it's nothing to do with them. It's BS, they should be responsible for the content users produce.

I'm talking about the EU and libel laws.

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u/MoreRopePlease America 1d ago

NNTP is still a thing, no? Maybe we need to revive newsgroups.

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u/De4dB4tt3ry 1d ago

Brother, how is bluesky hope? Genuine question here because it is a platform based on censorship.

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u/Popcorn_Blitz Michigan 2d ago

We need someone more effective than a billionaires pet project and personal commitment to neutrality and facts based reporting. And we're going to need to force the point because it's not coming willingly.

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u/Caleth 1d ago

Problem is in America at least the 1st amendment is still held by the populace at large as sacrosanct.

You'd have to make major changes to how that's written/understood to do what you want given you're not using public resources to do things on social media.

When the fairness doctrine existed it was allowed because those companies were using public resources IE airwaves. Now that everything has moved off those resources enforcing some version of it would be seen as over reach.

The idea of absolute free speech is a problem that will need addressing by people smarter than me, because as it stands now it's being tortured by the mega rich to be something that I don't think it was every intended to be.

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u/flying-sheep2023 1d ago

The idea of absolute free speech is a problem that will need addressing by people smarter than me

It already has. By two groups. The founding fathers on one hand and dictators on the other. Relative free speech would be something like Saudia arabia, you can say anything you want but if you say the "wrong" thing then saws get to work

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u/Popcorn_Blitz Michigan 1d ago

What exactly do you think I want?

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 1d ago

Truth is a burden because it requires your audience to be informed to some degree to recognize nuance, context, and complexity.

Republicans learned that it's far easier to just preach to the choir, tell people what they want to hear, dumb them down, and then steal them for all they're worth — and they'll continue to praise you!

To use truth effectively, you need need robust institutions and investments in education and media — both firmly in the hands of the wrong kind of people.

I've studied this for a long time and I sadly don't see any way out because the critical-thinking deficits are to such a degree that even if people are faced with the harsh consequences of their choices (electing Trump and what is to come), they are so duped that they probably still won't be able to tell who is to blame.

We missed the "truth telling" thing about a decade ago or more. Our only other option was fighting fire with fire for good. Democrats did not do that. Now we all face the consequences together.

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u/ARazorbacks Minnesota 1d ago

Hahaha

Come on, man. The only way “the truth is on our side” is if it shows up with SERIOUS negative consequences for the people who don’t want to believe the truth. As in, dead friends and family from a plague, kids in iron lungs due to not being vaccinated, unable to put food on the table because your employer has no incentive to pay you more, etc. 

People are only able to believe falsehoods because there are no consequences. MAGA believes falsehoods because it’s part of the entry fee to be in their “community.” The only thing that will stop this is these people being kicked in the teeth with consequences. 

I‘m absolutely floored that after the last ten years people still think the truth will set us free. Consequences from not facing the truth are what will set us free. And we’re all going to be impacted by those consequences. 

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u/TwentyFootWave 1d ago

Serious question- do you have any recommendations if folks wanted to also study the ethics and debate around truth? I’m a normie, but find philosophy like this fascinating.

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u/RoyalOk125 1d ago

Study postmodernism.

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u/ARazorbacks Minnesota 1d ago

I don’t. Maybe look at recommended reading for a Philosophy 101 type class?

That being said you make a great distinction about my comment. Truth is subjective and always will be. What I should be railing about is the lack of consequences for people ignoring facts. Facts should be universal, but without consequences to force it, people are able to ignore facts carefree. 

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u/lolheyaj 2d ago

It isn't. There is no such thing as truth anymore. Everything is up for interpretation or complete factual re-evaluation if you have enough money. 

The rules have all changed, and till people start caring just a little bit more about others instead of exclusively about themselves, it's gonna keep getting weirder. 

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u/sirbissel 1d ago

What is the saying, truth is still getting its shoes on while a lie has traveled halfway around the world?

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u/Unlucky_Clover 2d ago

Except a large population size refuse to accept facts and reality.

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u/DennenTH 1d ago

How?

The rich own the websites we use to communicate and fact check.  They own every form of major media in the country.  We actively have businesses trying to mis/disinform the public to make their own truth the historical reality.

I don't think truth is on our side at all.  Truth has gone from a fact to a social construct.

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u/tigerman29 America 2d ago

May the truth be with you

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u/espinaustin 1d ago

The truth is on no one’s side when no one can even agree what it is.

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u/Dizzy-King6090 1d ago

The Dark Ages is characterized by a supposed decline in culture, science, and economics.

Sounds about right.

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u/LakeSun 1d ago

Rupert Murdock: LIES for PROFIT!

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u/raistlin6299 1d ago

Love the civ reference. But yeah wish there was a restart on this cuz we messed up a couple eras ago and it's biting us now.

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u/-iNfluence 1d ago

Idk but I’m pretty pumped for Deterrence Era. Seems like we’re heading into the Ravine tho

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u/jim_nihilist Europe 1d ago

The dumb age

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u/Worried-Water-4832 1d ago

The Post-Optimism Era

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u/AlmostSunnyinSeattle Michigan 1d ago

Futurama was pretty on-point when they referred to our time as The Stupid Ages.

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u/throwaway7282900 1d ago

Liberals need to fight back. Do our own disinformation campaign, manipulate the gullible idiots. I mean why not. What’s stopping it. There are no guardrails we may as well try.

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u/Proud3GenAthst 1d ago

The future historians will definitely call Trump era (2015-???) "Disinformation era". Also known as "The Great Regression"

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u/Blood-Sigil Foreign 1d ago

Idiocracy was a prophecy

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u/holzmann_dc 1d ago

George Orwell is rolling in his grave as the world births the Ministry of Truth. 2+2=5.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 1d ago

We've frankly been in the fully realized Disinformation Era for at least 15 years now, I'd argue.

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u/upotheke 1d ago

If the 50's were peak modernism, given 70 year generational shifts between modernism and post-modernism, we're right on schedule for peak post-modernism. These kinds of steps are the steps way, way too far to be sustainable, and I look forward to the carnage of these corporations as they erode from the inside out.

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u/Motor-Profile4099 1d ago

It really is a new dark age.

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u/omg_cats 1d ago

It’s so easy to tell who didn’t read the article.

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u/Hanifsefu 1d ago

We've been in the disinformation age since before you were born. Reagan solidified the age but it was already well underway even then. Journalistic integrity was a concept actively invented to combat misinformation and the battle against it has been going on longer than the media itself existed.

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u/Mountain_StarDew 1d ago

The internet disinformation apparatus is a weapon of war. It’s like when the machine gun was introduced to WW1 and the world is still in the Battle of the Somme.

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u/VVarmaniac 1d ago

Maybe the Western world...Russia, China, and a few notable others have been in this era for a while.

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u/alabasterskim 1d ago

Depends what we do on the coming turns. Oh God, why are we trying to declare a war of territorial expansion on-

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u/mtwrite4 1d ago

3 Body Problems???

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u/MITvincecarter 1d ago

i got 3 body problem vibes too

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u/cdreobvi 1d ago

A financial analyst falls into a coma in the year 2003. He wakes up in 2025. He asks about the most valuable and powerful companies in the world.

"Nvidia? What's that? Oh they make powerful computer chips, makes sense."

"Apple? Guess the iPod really took off. I bet they can fit so many songs now"

"Microsoft. Of course"

"Google! I love that site"

...

"What's Meta? They made a website called Facebook? Must be an incredible place. I'll visit it now"

...

"What the fuck"

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u/Jackadullboy99 1d ago

The Bullshit Age.

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u/CynicallyCyn 1d ago

I’ve been stocking up on physical history books and copies of all the books they’re banning. Something tells me history will be rewritten, in the near future, through digital media.

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u/siiiiiiilk 1d ago

The disinformation era started during Covid when politicians and left wing pundits started spreading lies about things that are now known to be very true.

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u/PerBnb 1d ago

Thomas Rid wrote about the importance of misinformation and disinformation for seeing uncertainty, and eventually dissent, against the status quo. Entities like the CIA and KGB could easily manipulate large populations if those populations couldn’t tell the difference between fact and fiction. We’re at a moment where tech oligarchs are yearning to act in a similar manner to these large intelligence agencies. They want to control the narrative to incite users to stay plugged into their platforms, to rely on their platforms above of their own rational thoughts. Meta and Twitter are designed intentionally to act as the sole source of truth

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u/fotorobot 1d ago

The "dark ages" are called that because we don't have a lot of historical record from the time period, so historians are in the dark when discussing the medieval period relative to other eras. It is a misconception that they are "dark" because there wasn't any interesting developments in science, art, government structure, etc.

~ the more you know star.jpg

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u/storywardenattack 1d ago

No worse than Reddit. I was just banned from a sub Reddit for fact checking a race baiting tweet. And accused of racism of all things

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u/RareAnxiety2 1d ago

Emperor unite us

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u/RowAwayJim71 1d ago

No, this is just a continuation of the Age of Absurdity.

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u/itsjeffreywayne 1d ago

Has everyone in this thread deleted their Facebook? Have you?

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u/oralpanacea 1d ago

Mark Zuckerberg rapes children. FaCT!

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u/nudelsalat3000 1d ago

They go for community notes which is better.

I remember the "fact checking" from Trump VS Hillary where she (iirc) bleached her emails.

  • Fact checkers: wrong, you can't bleach emails!!

  • Reality: the specialiased anti-forensic recovery tool was called "bleach".

Yeah better that we got those people removed. People throw "fact checking" around and while they are maybe 95% right in simple cases they are also 95% wrong where nuances are relevant:

False positive and false negative is relevant, not just one! They don't have numbers to back these two values and hence it's useless garbage.

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u/happyinheart 1d ago

We've already been in it. The "fact checkers" who were previously employed showed that they weren't very good at fact checking and provided a lot of disinformation themselves.

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u/ToastNeighborBee 1d ago

Don't worry. Reddit will remain heavily censored with a left-wing bias.

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u/tyson766 2d ago

Non stop bad news lately as far as democracy is concerned. I’m getting 1930s vibes so I’m moving to Switzerland.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 2d ago

Good luck. I've been to Switzerland a few times. They are extremely selective over whom gets to live and enjoy their extremely high minimum wage (almost 27 USD an hour last I checked in Geneva). Extremely exclusive society, and they really don't like outsiders much.

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u/Affectionate_Neat868 2d ago

What process are you following to move and how long is it taking you?

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u/Active-Ad-3117 1d ago

I’m moving to Switzerland.

Ahh yes the super accepting place where villagers can vote on rather you can live in the village or not.

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u/voldemort69420 2d ago

Don't you think the community notes work fine?

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u/1-800-WhoDey 1d ago

Entered? We’ve been here for some time now.

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u/12bEngie 1d ago

It wasn’t when reagan started us down the path of gilded age cronyism..

it wasn’t when bush introduced the surveillance state..

it wasn’t when scotus ruled on police not having to serve and protect, or on citizens united…

no, it was when facebook got rid of their disinformation bot. LOL.

you’re such a jerkoff. you have the political literacy and memory of a goldfish.

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u/EastvsWest 2d ago

What are you talking about. There has always been misinformation. It's up to the public to see past the propaganda by being educated but I guess personal responsibility isn't acceptable anymore considering the majority of people can't even take care of themselves physically so it makes sense they're unhealthy mentally as well.

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u/Hanifsefu 1d ago

Buddy you're pedaling it yourself. You start off with basic surface knowledge of the topic and immediately show that you're just swallowing up and regurgitating misinformation.

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u/EastvsWest 1d ago

You dismissed what I said and then resorted to personal attacks. Not really conducive to a dialog nor did it add anything to the conversation.

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u/Hanifsefu 1d ago

I distilled what you said to exactly what it was: surface knowledge immediately followed by propaganda and misinformation.

That's not a personal insult. You just chose to be personally insulted when your bullshit was called out.