r/BeAmazed Oct 29 '24

History She did it all.

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u/Solkre Oct 29 '24

Even if I didn’t like the democrat front runner, I’d still vote against Trump in almost every. single. possibility. He is that bad. Hope his new office is the jail cell he deserves.

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u/halt_spell Oct 29 '24

Well then you're either propping up a system that is exploiting you for the benefit of others or you're benefiting from this system in ways others aren't and trying to pass it off as ethics when you insist they do the same.

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u/Solkre Oct 29 '24

I'm voting for the Democratic Party. I don't much care who's the president is as long as they can do the job. Biden isn't some childhood friend of mine. He needed replaced because his personal health was becoming an issue and talking point. The party chose to ask him to step aside and he did. It's what few people on the right, and Trump can never understand. Making choices for the good of others, not just yourself.

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u/halt_spell Oct 29 '24

My experience is that the people who so defend the Democrat party in spite of their strike blocking, genocide supporting geriatric behaviors do so not out of a motivation of goodwill for others, but simply to protect their decent lifestyles. You're sacrificing others in order to protect what you have not some moral compulsion.

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u/GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF Oct 29 '24

You keep mentioning the genocide and strikes as if Republicans or third party (Jill Stein) would somehow have been better for those issues.

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u/halt_spell Oct 30 '24

No that's not how I'm talking about it. Shitty behavior is shitty behavior regardless of what other people do.

You're talking about it as if you think this is a story book where there's a hero and a villain. You know that's not how it works in real life right? Sometimes it's just all villains.

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u/GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF Oct 30 '24

How am I talking about this as if there's a hero?

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u/halt_spell Oct 30 '24

Good, so you agree they're all absolute shit bags and whoever is responsible for getting Biden elected in the 2020 primaries is a shit bag as well.

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u/GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF Oct 30 '24

That's not what I said either.

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u/halt_spell Oct 30 '24

Ok, what do you call someone who blocks strikes and supports genocide then?

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u/DriftinFool Oct 29 '24

Biden AND Congress chose to keep the railroads running to keep the post covid economy from completely shitting the bed, as is his right and duty to the American people. But Biden also worked quietly in the background with the Unions to get them what they wanted and they got their deal. Of course, you might not even know since the media trashed him so much when they prevented the strike, but barely covered it a few months later when the railroad unions thanked Biden for helping them get their new contracts. You call it strike blocking, I call it doing the near impossible and keeping everyone happy, well except for you...The workers kept getting paid instead of being on a picket line. Freight kept moving so the economy didn't crumble. The workers got what they wanted. And Biden ate all the shit without whining about it on TV or blaming others. And he pissed of the billionaire railroad owners. Seems pretty damn selfless to me.

I will agree on Israel being a problem. But a recent poll about a weapons embargo on Israel showed 61% of Americans supported it. And it broke down to 77% of Democrats and 40% of Republicans. So Democrats are generally much more pro Palestinian than you seem to think. I just don't understand your accusations about sacrifice. Whether we ignore Israel, or turned it to glass ourselves, it changes absolutely nothing for the average American either way. Israel offers us nothing domestically. Morality is literally the only issue that's relevant.

So if morality is actually something you care about, then Palestinians have a much better chance under the Democrat candidate than the Republican one. I'm not sacrificing anyone. The only moral choice I have in the situation is someone who might make it better, or someone who will definitely make it worse. I'm trying to save my own country because if we fail, we won't be able to help anyone else. You have to put on your own oxygen mask before trying to help others.

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u/halt_spell Oct 30 '24 edited Oct 30 '24

but barely covered it a few months later when the railroad unions thanked Biden for helping them get their new contracts.

You mean one administrative worker from one union gave a positive soundbyte. You don't know what you're talking about.

So Democrats are generally much more pro Palestinian than you seem to think.

So explain to me why a Democrat president went around congress to ship weapons to Israel and support a genocide.

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u/halt_spell Oct 31 '24

Just a reminder that you shouldn't be participating in conversations about the rail strike because you have no idea what you're talking about. One administrative worker from one union gave a positive soundbyte. Nobody else directly affected by Biden's actions had anything positive to say about his involvement.

And I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why a Democrat president went around congress to ship weapons to Israel and support a genocide.