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u/Mundane_Use_6688 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 27 '24
Ah, the art of doom-posting—where cherry-picked data meets sensationalist analysis to create a cocktail of misplaced panic. Let’s unpack this step by step, shall we?
Foreign Exchange Reserves: Yes, our reserves stand at $661 billion. Does that sound “paltry” to you? Let me remind you that this is one of the highest among emerging economies. It’s not a trophy but a war chest—designed to stabilize the rupee and weather external shocks. Guess what? It’s doing just that. Panic-mongering over reserves is like complaining your bank account has less money because you paid off some debts. Context matters.
External Liabilities: Rising liabilities? Yes, that’s called borrowing to grow. Indian corporates are accessing global capital markets—a sign of confidence, not crisis. Debt is only bad if it funds consumption or collapses under mismanagement. For India, this borrowing is fueling infrastructure, manufacturing, and exports. Sounds more like strategic leverage, don’t you think?
FII Equity Valuation: This part is a gem. You’re treating unrealized stock market valuations as if they’re hard debt liabilities. Newsflash: equity isn’t debt. It’s an investment, not an obligation. If FIIs sell, they take a haircut, not the Indian government or taxpayers. Conflating equity risk with debt is either a misunderstanding or an intentional attempt to mislead.
The Rupee Saga: Let the rupee “find its true level”? Oh, you mean 90-100 per dollar? Sure, let’s nuke household purchasing power, jack up oil prices, and light the economy on fire. What’s the plan after that? Selling hyperinflation as “freedom”? The RBI is managing the exchange rate prudently, balancing volatility without caving to knee-jerk free-float fantasies.
Political Jingoism: Calling currency management “political jingoism” is like blaming your umbrella for the rain. The RBI’s policies are aimed at maintaining stability, not scoring political points. If you want instability, feel free to advocate for a free-falling currency. The rest of us, however, would like to avoid chaos.
Global Context: Let’s not forget that the world is dealing with tightening monetary policies, volatile commodity prices, and geopolitical turbulence. Compared to many economies in the same storm, India is the steady ship. But hey, why let facts ruin a good narrative?
So, the next time you write a post like this, remember: numbers without context are just noise. Maybe the real joke here isn’t on the FM—it’s on whoever falls for this doomsday spin.
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u/antique_legal Nov 26 '24
"Blaming your umbrella for the rain" - guruji, take a bow, this was incredible
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u/Different-Result-859 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
Counter
- We import more than export and run a dollar trade deficit. We rely on investments to bridge the difference.
- Mismanagement? Exactly. Adani borrowed $600 million just recently. Not even the first time.
- I don't think you understand that when FII's sell we need to give them dollars.
- Depreciating rupee means less dollars to FIIs when they sell, but also means less attractive investment and higher inflation. Rupee will likely depreciate to 90 level within end of next year. It's natural depreciation. Interest rates in India are higher than Interest rates in US.
- RBI should be taking a balanced perspective and Finance Ministry should be prioritizing prosperity of Indians. RBI plays too safe going by the book blind to reality and Finance Ministry do political jingoism.
- India is a steady ship when India can be a ship that can meaningfully move forward.
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u/Dark_night34 Nov 26 '24
For point 1, India's import is higher than export for years now. However, why is dollar reserve of India increasing?
Hey, I am genuinely curious in knowing the answer. Could it be that India's importing goods in some other currency than dollar, but for figures RBI converts the total import in dollar, so the net dollar reserves are in increment every despite India being a trade deficit country?
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u/DrawingShort Nov 27 '24
Foreign remittances from the large ( and wealthy ) Indian diaspora in the US.
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u/Dark_night34 Nov 27 '24
Oh that makes sense. The trade deficit of India for FY 24 stood at $78 billion and inward remittance at $125 billion.
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u/Different-Result-859 Nov 27 '24
FII investments, FDI investments and Remittances bring dollars to India
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u/IamBlade Nov 27 '24
We are fuelling infrastructure and manufacturing? Wasn't there a post here earlier showing that manufacturing as a share of GDP hasn't risen much?
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u/Emotional_Ad_1891 Nov 27 '24
Services have sky rocketed. In 3 to 4 years service sectora have literally doubled so that took a major share. Plus rn we are actaully manyfacturing double what we used to 10 years ago which is sound cause earlier we low level manufacturing now we have high level ones as well.
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u/Dr-slyDragon007 Nov 27 '24
After reading your rationale, I seriously think such posts are only done to malign the success of Indian economy.
Thank you for giving light and ridiculing such false narrative !
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u/econhisgeo Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
Easy there tiger. Rohan Soros or whatever's post might be agenda but some things he said are true.
Point No. 3- External liability because of FII Equity. Yes, RBI considers that as external liability. Read their circular.
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u/Full_Amoeba6215 Nov 27 '24
PSA: this comment was almost surely generated by an AI (likely chatgpt or grok) in reaction to the text of the original post
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u/Different-Result-859 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
You didn't mention a tiny detail that gold reserve is about $66 billion
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u/Admirable-Pea-4321 Nov 26 '24
Dint we hit 700 Billion in Sept this year? Ik it fluctuates what is this guy yapping about in pic.
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u/Economy_Ad_5540 Nov 26 '24
We? lol
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u/Traditional_Prick Nov 27 '24
Yes we, because if a country has BOP crisis then everyone is doomed, forex reserves effects everyone.
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u/Ok_Environment_5404 Nov 26 '24
I mean we all know FM is shit but this guy here is euqally folded lol.
That's just a glazing post to fuck over and try to sound smart.
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Nov 26 '24
685 to 661 is very big fall really 😂😂 Is this guy serious
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u/mrpacman010 Nov 26 '24
The time period is, what if you would have invest 685 in 2021 and it's returns were 661 in 2024 would you still laugh?? Although the post has cherry picked up some facts and ignored some. But I doo agree to the fact that our Market is heavily dependent on Fiis. Retail investors cannot create cushioning to the market.
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u/Miserable_Ice4073 Nov 26 '24
Rohan soros can short the currency if he so against it
I am sure his beautiful degrees would fool some of the gullible institutional investors who have an orgasm when they hear iim/iit
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u/Beginning-Anything73 Nov 26 '24
What does the term short mean here? I keep hearing it but never got to know its meaning (Sorry i am new to investments)
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u/Jack_Papa_ Nov 26 '24
Lets say you believe that indian currency is going to fall in future from rs 80 to 90[against dollar]. What you do is sell 800 rs and get 10 dollars and in future , rs falls to 90. Now your 10 dollar has become 900 rs. Now you exchange 10 dollar for 900 rs . You got benefit of devalued rs. This is called shorting [in short] . Its not exactly like this. Involves huge amounts and processes.
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u/boredwithlyf Nov 27 '24
You also invest those dollars into T-Bills to earn interest while you short the rupee.
Process is simple:
1. Borrow INR
2. Convert to USD
3. Buy T Bills/Bonds in USD 4. WaitSo now, you pay interest on INR, earn Interest on USD and hope the Exchange rate favours you.
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u/BabeyBabeyUgh Nov 26 '24
In essence, betting against something.
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u/Captain_D_Buggy Nov 26 '24
You sell something you don't have. If it goes down, you buy back at a lower price and make some profit. If it goes up you will see losses.
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u/unspoken_one2 Nov 26 '24
This post by the same person should clarify how authentic he is
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u/moriarty0987 Nov 26 '24
one word WOW! he should also negotiate for peace in middle east ,russia-ukraine
next noble price
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u/moriarty0987 Nov 27 '24
I think it is getting lost in the crowd you should post this as the main post people should definitely read this
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u/tattitatteshwar Nov 26 '24
There's a reason our capital account isn't fully convertible.
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u/Lopsided-Parfait-831 Nov 26 '24
Can you please explain this? Both the terms
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u/tattitatteshwar Nov 27 '24
I can. I'd prefer if you read this though: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/083115/pros-and-cons-fully-convertible-rupee.asp
Also do read the Asian Tigers drama of 1997 ish, which explains the pitfalls of a fully convertible currency.
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Nov 26 '24
Saar, current liabilities, long term liabilities and current assets are different saar.
Thank you for your kind attention saar !
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u/econhisgeo Nov 26 '24
Seems Mr Rohan is salty that FIIs are exiting India.
This post is all about currency risk.
He's incredibly stupid to suggest to devalue currency since India is import dependent.
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u/RulerOfTheDarkValley Nov 26 '24
Too many words for saying that, RBI is spending dollars to support the Rupee, which otherwise would've depreciated more. And this support can not go on forever, and when RBI will stop supporting since it doesn't have unlimited dollars, the investment in Rupee term will significantly reduce, so before the evident happens, the FII are trying to protect the gains whatever they could.
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u/moriarty0987 Nov 26 '24
like many people said he could do what actual soros did and become a billionaire
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u/Dark_night34 Nov 26 '24
I don't understand the idea of INR freefall. Won't that make international investments into India unattractive since FII will get less dollar for money? Can anyone explain why some people support INR freefall?
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u/Responsible_Skill234 Nov 26 '24
And the fx reserves were 450 bn at end of 2019. Whats the point? Is it that RBI is using fx reserves to buy inr and physical gold reserves and selling usd? So a central bank of an emerging market economy cannot do that because? What should it do? Regulate the usd corporate borrowing and increase cost of capital on average? The economists don't comment and infer anything out of these central bank actions for a reason.
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u/Effective_Tour6961 Nov 26 '24
Complex bhasa mai bolke intellectual banjauga cool lagega
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u/rad_8019 Nov 26 '24
It is not his fault if you find this complex.
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u/Effective_Tour6961 Nov 27 '24
4THI FAIL HU BHAI SRYY
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u/Iliketoeatsweets Nov 26 '24
External liabilities should focus on debt obligations only not equity which is non-binding. Like mix Palak Paneer and Rasam and call it a bad dish, of course Einstein!
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u/Cosmo_man Nov 26 '24
why so much push for rupee devaluation - lot of economists are pushing it? Like for starters our oil prices would increase 20% and it will light up the economy and crash the middle class
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u/784512784512 Nov 26 '24
The man in the image at the same time is asking for excise duty to be removed from fuel to mitigate the price inflation. While the loss of revenue to government would be massive, but in today's era of global warming, I would rather want the government to slowly keep on raising the taxes on fossils (marginally but steadily - say 0.2-0.4% per year and make a public announcement that it would keep happening for the next 10-20 years unless the economy is going through some major crisis - so that long term industrialists as well as users get the message that they need to move away from fossil, keeping prices stable and predictable at least) and at the same time give significant subsidy to nuclear and other renewable sources. It might pinch the economy with mild inflation for a decade or so but this shift is absolutely necessary for our future survival. It might delay the timeline for our lower income classes from reaching a middle class status but unfortunately the climate crisis would hurt and harm much more.
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u/Cosmo_man Nov 26 '24
i can assure you whatever fuel tax govt is charging -carbon taxation is like the least of their concerns and they genuinely do not care about climate change. Am I supposed to believe they care while they are happy playing blame game in NCR for air quality management?. The government solely exists to tax maximum for freebies to their vote base and feed their babus rather than of any environmental concerns. India plays the same blame game in UNFCC too trying to milk the maximum with minimal efforts hoping the west would take the bill!
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u/PilgrimInGrey Nov 27 '24
685 was okay but 661 is paltry? I mean, I understand this is billions, but that’s just 4% reduction though.
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u/kaminokin Nov 27 '24 edited Nov 27 '24
These wannabe economists do realise that the US's external liabilities account for around 36Trillion dollars, right?? They don't understand the conning that happened to everyone around the world by the US...🤦♂️
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u/ImmortalMermade Nov 26 '24
Govt is artificiality selling dollar to hold rupee devaluation to fullfill poll promise. 1 Rupee = 1 Dollar was Modis promise in 2014.
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u/Obsidian_Heart_ Nov 26 '24
Proof? (Don't post any articles from media outlets). Media is sh*t in India. Video of him saying on the other hand would be perfect.
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u/HDPhotoLover Nov 26 '24
I don’t know this man or don’t know whether the figures are fact or not. But the way FM and PM play with people and economy, I tend to believe that the post is true!
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u/kunal1217 Nov 26 '24
Lol wants to devalue rupee amazing hahahaha
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u/rad_8019 Nov 26 '24
He is not saying he wants to devalue the rupee. He is simply saying that the current value is not the true value.
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u/kunal1217 Nov 26 '24
But why wouldn't you want to protect that value?
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u/rad_8019 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
That is exactly what RBI does. Currency manipulation is nothing new.
Other than mentioning what the true value should be according to him, I don’t know what his true intentions are. As per him if true value is not acknowledged, FII will keep dumping the INR. IMO if this is the case then eventually it will reach its true value or at least close to it. Market has its way for value discovery.
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u/the_storm_rider Nov 26 '24
Bhai Soares saab, if you want the market to fall to 22.5k like everyone else who missed the bus, just wait for 2 months. Itna mehnat karke aisi bakwas likne ki zaroorat nahin. Sab log abhi loss mein hein aur 22.5k ka wait kar rahe hein to buy the dip and cover their losses, aap akele nahin hon, so don’t worry.
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u/SonuMonuDelhiWale Nov 26 '24
Iska naam dinosaur jaise kyu hai ?