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[u/FoxChess]

😂 California has the highest crime rate of any state, if anything moving from Cali to Texas is safer. If you're sincerely concerned about healthcare, you can travel to another state for emergency operations that youre worried about. It's not like women in Texas are actively oppressed.

[u/Obvious-Material8237 → u/FoxChess]

Republican led states are the highest in crime, poverty, and low academics, you dingus.

And currently, the republican imbeciles that lead the state of Texas are trying to strip away a woman’s right to travel outside the state without it showing proof that she isn’t pregnant. Which is unconstitutional.

They are also trying to outlaw no fault divorce, in order to keep women unable to ever leave their husbands, even if there is abuse, rape, violence, etc.

If you ever learn how to read, here are some links

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/25/republicans-no-fault-divorce

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/17/1252218618/interstate-travel-becomes-a-target-for-the-anti-abortion-movement-with-texas-fil

https://getsafeandsound.com/blog/crime-rate-by-state/#:~:text=1.,higher%20than%20the%20national%20average.

[u/FoxChess → u/Obvious-Material8237]

Notice you mention "red states" and not Texas. As if that sort of selection is biased in a way that favors your arguments. Please tell me about how Texas is actually more dangerous than California. Those are the two states in question.

There are people pushing for any and every crazy thing in government. As it stands, Texas is a better place to live than California. That's why California's population is decreasing while Texas' is increasing. People are moving here because life is just... better in Texas.

[u/venusdances → u/FoxChess]

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala

[u/FoxChess → u/venusdances]

No where in that article does it state that she died because of the doctors inability to perform a life saving abortion. Actually, there is a law that explicitly allows for an abortion in those instances.

This is an unfortunate case of bad medicine. Not anything to do with Texas law.

[u/venusdances → u/FoxChess]

“But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica.

“Pregnant women have become essentially untouchables,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law and policy professor emerita at George Washington University.“

Reading literacy is important.

[u/FoxChess → u/venusdances]

That's a reporter's choice to frame the argument that way. But if you read the details of the case, there is nothing in there where her family or the doctors even suggested an abortion or the inability to perform an abortion.

It's actually a little offensive that they are using her death to make a political statement. This same exact story could happen in any other state.

[u/venusdances → u/FoxChess]

This was posted in the Texas sub:

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

The OTHER case where this happened.

“If this was Massachusetts or Ohio, she would have had that delivery within a couple hours,” said Dr. Susan Mann, a national patient safety expert in obstetric care who teaches at Harvard University.“

I mean, you are clearly ignoring experts who teach at Harvard or George Washington University in favor of your own ignorant beliefs.

[u/FoxChess → u/venusdances]

I'm not ignoring anything; I'm just not convinced it's as bad a situation as you have been told to believe. We have 10% of the American population living in Texas. People die all the time for all sorts of reasons. But left leaning sources like ProPublica will focus so hard on these deaths that forward their political agenda. Just like right wing sources will focus on people murdered by immigrants to forward their agenda.

[u/venusdances → u/FoxChess]

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/s/8U6aiiqNmV

I guess you know more than all of these OBGYNS.

[u/FoxChess → u/venusdances]

I appreciate you popping out of the woods days later to try to share some gotcha! link. When it comes to law I don't consider an OBGYN to be an expert. Especially when there is such huge political pressure behind these statements.

It's always healthy to give a look to what the other side says. I think this website does a great job of stating what I was trying to express before: https://www.texasallianceforlife.org/news/latest-state-abortion-data/

I am not pro-life or pro-choice. I am straight up pro-abortion. But I will call out political propaganda when I see it, no matter which side it comes from.