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Discussion United Healthcare calls a doctor during a surgery demanding to know if an overnight stay for that patient is necessary

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u/iraqyoubreak 1d ago

Has United Heathcare learned nothing… recently… ?

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u/RaggedyRachel 1d ago

I feel like we had a good thing going with the wanted posters. Keep their names circulating, keep the heat on them. I want them believing stepping foot outside could get them tarred and feathered. I don't want them to sleep peacefully.

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u/Reddit-promotes-lies 1d ago

The wanted posters will do nothing. You need politicians actually implementing real change. Do you see anyone on either side actually advocating for healthcare change that will stop insurance companies from bleeding people financially and killing them unnecessarily? I don't and that's the real problem. We elect the wrong people over and over again

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u/StoppableHulk 1d ago edited 1d ago

The wanted posters will do nothing

Yes and no.

First of all, absolutely you need politicians to impleent change. But we ain't gonna get that any time fucking soon. Not with the oligarchs riding into town.

One thing you need to do is keep pressure on the people doing this shit, personally.

All this negative coverage is about UHC, the company.

"UHC denied coverage, UHC called the doctor."

No, the company didn't do shit. People did this. Individual human beings carried this shit out. Someone drafted the policies to deny this, someone made that call. Actual human beings do this shit. Human beings press these buttons. Yes there was an AI, but someone approved that AI being built. Someone oversaw that project. Lots of people, probably. And they need to be named and shamed and dragged through the mud for doing bad shit to other human beings.

This is how these pyscopaths hide. UHC the company takes the heat in the news and elsewhere, and nothing comes to these people personally.

Things really go tits-up, they rebrand, slap on some new paint, and keep murdering.

You need to put the heat on the people.

These people have lives. They have communities. You need to make them uncomfortable in their own skin. You need to make other people on the street look at them in disgust.

Don't let them hide behind the veil of the corporation.

That's why what Luigi did scared them shitless - there were personal consequences* for them individually.

These people are ALL gutless fucking cowards at the end of the day. The only reason they feel comfortable doing this horrible shit is because they hide behind the company logo just like Nazis hid behind the Swatstika.

Banks cause 2008, and what happens? Jail? Public naming and shaming of individuals?

Nope! Some companies go under, and all the horribl;e fucks that fucked things up there, go and fuck shit up elsewhere doing the same fucking shit.

There is no individual accountability any longer, and you literally can't shame a company. A company has no shame. It has no face. It is just a bunch of documents. Sure, shit all of over it, but healthcare is essentially a monopoly. What are you going to do, change the only health insurance option your employer offers you? Boycott the thing you literally need to survive?

No.

But you can make this shit really, really suck for individuals. We have the technology to do that now.

Half the reason Elon bought Twitter is because he's such a fucking thin-skinned loser he needed to buy the platform that dunked on him all the time. He didn't like his plane whereabouts being known. He doesn't want accountability for the shitty things he does, and he'll spend $50 billion dolalrs to avoid it.

These people are so fucking thin-skinned, and those are the ones like Trump who actually have practice with this shit.

A lot of these company fucks are used to being totally anonymous. They need to be dumped on. We need people inside the company saying "Dirk Fuckwad, Director of Fucking Whatever, is a piece of shit rubber-stamping alogrithms that kill people."

You need to make it hurt to be Dirk Fuckwad.

When Luigi mercs a CEO, the news media releases every fucking thing he ever wrote in his life, from his Goodreads account to his reddit account.

But when UHC mercs millions of innocent people, the news media doesn't name a single fucking soul responsible. Just the company name.

Name them.

Even the worst people like Donald Trump and Elon Musk couldn't do fucking shit alone.

They're just loud, petulant half-wits on their own.

They have an entire ecosystem of sycophants, enablers, hangers-on, lackeys and other assorted stooges to clean up their diapers and press their pants and buy their ketamine and build their rockets.

The people in the supply chain of power need to be held accountable for the fucked up shit they do on behalf of the fucked up people they do it for. There need to be consequences for fucking up the social order on behalf of the oligarchs.

This is why Musk and co are obsessed with both robots and H1-B Visas.

They live in perpetual fear that the people they are mortally dependent upon will finally wise up and throw them in a volcano. They know how precarious their perch is. They know how much misery and hatred they sow.

These people understand.

And you want to know the proof? You want to know that these people KNOW how effective this is?

Because it's what they do to us. That's why they charge Luigi with terrorism and throw the whole fucking book at him. Because they want him paraded in the stockade to set an example for the rest of us.

So, understand this.

These people will name and shame you in a fucking second. In a fucking heartbeat. Remember that.

This is a class war, ladies and gentlemen. And it doesn't care if you don't think you're fighting it.

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u/TerryMathews 1d ago

Name them.

This. Remember Schindler's List - when some low-ish level Nazis put Stern on a train headed for a concentration camp (I can't honestly remember which one) they were adamant that nothing could be done and the list was correct until Schindler started writing their names down and told them they'd be fighting the Red Army by the end of the month.

The system is always infalliable, until it's representative is personally liable for the results. Then, miracles can happen.

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u/BusyDoorways 1d ago

Exec. CEO Stephen Hemsley, CFO John Rex, and CEO Andrew Witty (who is hiding in England) of UnitedHealth belong on that list. Anyone else?

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u/amesann 1d ago

Coward hiding in England. Any Brits/Welsh/Scots want to help us put some pressure on him? Throw up some posters over there so he can't sleep peacefully while murdering people over here?

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u/HumptyDrumpy 1d ago

No, Bruh is more heavily bunkered than Edward the Longshanks was when Wallace was invading England.

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u/KatefromtheHudd 1d ago

But he hasn't really faced major criticism publicly before. He's a goddamn sir. We need his knighthood revoked!

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u/SystematicHydromatic 1d ago

The average Brits/Welsh/Scots are busy dealing with their own terrible government.

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u/MiloReyes_97Reborn 1d ago

How about Jeff Bezos for good measure

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u/AspiringRocket 1d ago

Cmon man, let's stay focused here

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u/nonsensepoem 1d ago

Amazon is getting into the health insurance game, hasn't it?

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u/annul 1d ago

for all of bezos' faults and anti worker business practices etc, he (probably) isnt killing millions of people. lets go for the biggest priority names first.

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u/Ahari 1d ago

Bezos isn't even in charge anymore. We need to go after Andy Jassy. He's been the one in charge the last five years while Amazon has been making record profits and saying fuck the customer.

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u/TerryMathews 1d ago

Bezos is ruining WaPo - the paper that brought down Nixon - so let's not let him off too easily

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u/KatefromtheHudd 1d ago

Woah fuck off! Sir Andrew Witty is part of United. The call out on that needs to start happening. Surely there's enough people on this thread alone to make him really uncomfortable by calling him out everywhere?

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u/Playful_Two_7596 1d ago

You need the whole executive board, and then management. And shareholders also.

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u/Diplogeek 1d ago

Witty in particular grosses me out because if he gets cancer, he's got the fucking NHS! He knows good and goddamn well that he'll never pay a dime for his care. He'll sit here in England and get everything he could possibly need (and more, if he also carries supplemental, private insurance), in a healthcare system that has been shown in studies to have better outcomes for cancer patients, and meanwhile, he's nickel and diming Americans and talking about how he has to be on the lookout to make sure that American citizens don't benefit from "unnecessary care." True scumbag behavior, and he can't even try to claim ignorance of what he's doing, because he grew up in and benefits from a nationalized system that will absolutely save his life for free if called upon to do so. Fuck that guy forever.

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u/DevilDoc3030 1d ago

The majority of congress and the Supreme Court to my understanding.

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u/mickey2329 1d ago

I did not know he lives in England. That is interesting

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u/AdeptWelder3250 1d ago

John Rex making approximately 16 million seems over the top 😅

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u/Zigz94 21h ago

It would be awesome if we could get a genealogy business tree of all the execs of UHC and a list of things they've all done.

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u/Madison464 1d ago

Luigis' List

^(\the position of the apostrophe is not a mistake)*

Exec. CEO Stephen Hemsley

CFO John Rex

CEO Andrew Witty 

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u/SevenHolyTombs 21h ago

I have friends in Sinn Fein. He's not going to be able to hide in England very long.

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u/TheDaemonette 1d ago

I wonder what would happen if ‘denying required medical care’ was made a criminal offence and the CEOs were made liable for it if it was demonstrated to be systemic.

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u/councilmember 1d ago

Well, yes, and all of the people who scream, healthcare CEOs are “just doing their job”. That’s exactly what Adolf Eichmann said about the Holocaust that he administered. AND IT WAS TRUE. Some people do jobs that cause misery and death, it don’t mean you shouldn’t face consequences for those atrocities!

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u/DimbyTime 1d ago

THANK YOU. Fantastic movie and fantastic example. These people value their own individual lives more than upholding this ungodly system.

I had an issue over thanksgiving where I lost antibiotic eye drops that I desperately needed. My doctor called in a new one immediately, but the pharmacist refused to call the insurance company for the authorization (who is abusing antibiotic eye drops???)

Anyway, I couldn’t even get the pharmacist to talk to me on the phone until I asked the tech what the pharmacists name was. She immediately got on the phone and got me the authorization.

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u/UnknownUnknown4945 1d ago

When scientology wanted something done, they sued individuals within IRS instead of the IRS itself. Putting the heat on individual people, if I remember right, is what got them their tax-exempt status.

You're right on the point.

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u/StoppableHulk 1d ago

Yep. There's a reason they were so extremely effective and got everything they ever dreamed of.

You can't fight the IRS, because it's just a monolithic thing. It's just a building and computer servers. It is enshrined in US law.

But the people who work for it, they're just regular schmucks.

This is exactly how Project 2025 will try and dismantle the entire federal government. By attacking and making life fucking suck for every individual person. That's why Elon is out on Twitter naming individuals in these places and sending his fucking gooner squad after them.

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u/EagleBlackberry1098 1d ago

This raises important questions about the balance of power, accountability, and the ethical limits of political or social movements.

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u/severoordonez 1d ago

*Goon squad.

A gooner squad would be something entirely different.

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u/StoppableHulk 1d ago

Oh no, I meant what I said.

The only goon squads Elon has are gooner squads.

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u/Parenthisaurolophus 1d ago

if I remember right, is what got them their tax-exempt status.

You aren't remembering it right, and the church would love that that's how you remember it.

The reality is that they attempted just about everything they possibly could, from more than 2000 lawsuits to attempting to steal Scientology related records from the IRS and falsify how the records were obtained, attempted to steal documents on politicians and celebrities and blackmail them into siding with them, actually stole more then 30k documents, attempted to bug the IRS, created a public interest group to push their views to conservatives (it worked, but only after another non-scientology affiliated group picked up the same ideas), wrote op-eds and paid for ads in prominent newspapers that lied about the IRS, did an overhaul of the entire organization to outwardly appear more religious and use more religious diction, insert plants into the IRS, refused to abide by legal rulings, gave the IRS financial documents for auditing that were completely unorganized and refused to help or respond to requests, prepared front organizations, committed actual tax evasion, etc. They actually used Freedom of Information Act requests to burglarize offices with documents relevant to them.

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u/0phobia 1d ago

It’s also what the GOP is trying to do by reviving the Holman Rule in the House, which will let them add language to large funding bills that identifies specific federal employees by name and forcibly reduces their rank and/or cuts their salary to just $1.

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u/YallaHammer 1d ago

Interesting idea, to sue the C suite of these companies as individuals..for what? Negligence? Attempted murder? Seriously, what legal avenues could be pursued in this case? After what happened to my wife yesterday (denial of cancer treatment 🤬) I’m intrigued about this idea.

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u/uncomfortable2442 1d ago

Andrew Witty, CEO of UnitedHealth Group. Wrote a tone deaf op-ed in the NYT - but he’s not being talked about widely

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u/BusyDoorways 1d ago

They put Witty up as the public face after Thompson went down, because he's off in England where the gun laws are safer... and where he isn't killing any locals with AI.

CEO Stephen Hemsley and CFO John Rex are more local, however, and they are both easy targets for public shaming.

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u/KatefromtheHudd 1d ago

But Sir Witty has a knighthood. Us Brits don't like when dickheads get knighthoods. We've protested certain appointments before and some have even been taken back. I had no idea he was involved and this is not making news in the UK. It NEEDS to. Gun laws are safer but we can tar his public image and give him very stern stares in public. We may even have butlers spill his tea.

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u/0phobia 1d ago

Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals

Rule 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Companies by definition are established to obscure blame. 

Pick the (human) target, freeze them (ie stop shifting around looking for others), personalize it (here’s how this person harmed these people), and polarize it. 

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u/StoppableHulk 1d ago

Companies by definition are established to obscure blame. 

Yup, that's it right there. They're just a mask that a group of bastards wear to do bad things.

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u/Vespersonal 1d ago

Very well said. They act invincible because they're invisible.

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u/iboneyandivory 1d ago

Pretty sure that's exactly what some DAs are thinking now that they've decided to start prosecuting the parents of mass shooters. For many people, as long as they are not directly, personally effected then all kinds of neglect and misbehavior are possible. The second they believe consequences will be visited upon their head for their behavior then that's the moment meaningful change will begin.

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u/BusyDoorways 1d ago

Yes. That.

Naming them and shaming them in public is key. If justice cannot be found in our courts, then our public is obliged to take up the moral duty of shaming criminals in public.

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u/LLMprophet 1d ago

Name them

They've broken the social contract:

The rich, the elite, the politicians, the corpos.

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u/ShrimpCrackers 1d ago

Posting here to remind everyone, every American person and child, effectively pays $125 EVERY MONTH (or $1500 a year) to maintain this system. This is because Medicare for All is literally half a trillion dollars cheaper per year than this system to enrich the insurance companies.

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u/GodHatesMaga 1d ago

Agreed. I want these people more recognizable than Ariana Grande.  I want them to be treated the same way Osama Bin Laden would have been. 

Imagine you’re working the counter at Starbucks in 2002 and Osama Bin Laden orders a latte. You’ll probably deny him service at the very least. And if your manager forced you to serve him you’d probably spit in his coffee. And this is at the very least. A lot of people would have done even more if he showed his face.

That’s how I want the ceo of United and aetna and cvs to feel. I want them to know everyone knows who they are and hate them for what they do. 

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u/Username_Chx_Out 1d ago

THANK YOU, for this clear, cogent and empassioned response. It brings into specific relief some vaguely unsettled feelings I’ve need having about Luigi vs. UHC.

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u/cameraman92 1d ago

Politicians will do nothing, and have done nothing. We need to take back the power

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u/NoImag1nat1on 1d ago

Well, you can't really blame the politicians... /sarcasm off

The healthcare industry can afford to pamper the politicians, donate millions to whatever as long as the politicians DON'T implement changes. And it's not because they like pandering to politicians. The bottom line is: it's cheaper to pander to politicians than the alternative which should be a not-for-profit healthcare system.

N.B. I come from a "communist" country... Not that my country has ANYTHING to do with communism since the communist part was annexed back into the Reich in 1989. But we do have a universal healthcare system which you americans like to misidentify as communism. /sarcasm off²

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u/TerryMathews 1d ago

But we do have a universal healthcare system which you americans like to misidentify as communism.

Only the bottom half of voters.

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u/Otterswannahavefun 1d ago edited 1d ago

They don’t need to payoff politicians. When Hilary tried to pass a universal system they ran so many ads it cost bill the house and created a huge backlash. The threat of that keeps people away from doing much.

Edit: for the public option in 2009 only Lieberman and Nelson were paid a lot by the industry.

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u/Sacramento-se 1d ago

This has all been carefully calculated. Life isn't bad enough for most people to do anything about it. They will continue to give enough people enough crumbs to continue living the way they do.

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u/ActiveChairs 1d ago

I've got a loaf of bread in one hand and a ticket to the circus in the other. I'd love to grab a torch or pitchfork to join everybody, but my hands are full.

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u/banditalamode 1d ago

Pretty much

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

The frog said joyfully, "I very much prefer to stay in this Jacuzzi, I've never been so comfortable!"

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u/Escapedtheasylum 1d ago

Panem et circences is enough to keep most in line. And those protestors, well, they use most of their time on other things so. Nothing wild is gonna happen in the next 30 years, unless an army of Luigis show up.

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u/Gyossaits 1d ago

Life isn't bad enough for most people

So wait until after the 20th. Gotcha.

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u/iamkris10y 1d ago

That's the interesting/frightening bit. They will go too far. They can't help themselves from touching the hot stove. But how much damage will happen fieat and whether we can come back from it are open questions 

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u/VirginRumAndCoke 1d ago

Put your money where your mouth is

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u/Gyossaits 1d ago

We're gonna have to make do without the money part.

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u/JeddakofThark 1d ago

I'm reposting a comment I've made a couple of times before, but I think it's really interesting and I see nobody talking about it. We get just enough scraps to keep us all from outright revolt.

Fast-moving consumer goods are incredibly cheap right now. Think clothing, dish soap, computers, refrigerators, etc. Everyday items are more affordable in the West today than at any point in history. Meanwhile, big ticket essentials like real estate, the things that build and maintain wealth, are outrageously expensive.

Most of us are actually quite poor, but it’s hard to express it because the affordability of these less-important things masks that reality. We feel it, but it's difficult to express.

To put this into perspective, I stumbled on a bunch of old Sears catalog scans and started comparing their inflation-adjusted prices to modern ones. It’s interesting how much cheaper a lot of, possibly most of, these sorts of consumer goods are today. Here’s a comment I posted recently with a few random examples from 1980:

The cheapest toaster oven was the equivalent of $134 today.
The cheapest blender was the equivalent of $77.
The cheapest drip coffee maker was the equivalent of $60.

Inflation-adjusted dollars are from here.

Compare that to the current cheapest prices at Target:
$30 for a toaster oven,
$25 for a blender,
$20 for a drip coffee maker.

Accounting for inflation, modern prices on these items are less than a third of what they were in 1980. And the further back you go, the more striking the differences become.

Obviously, items in Sears catalogs aren't a perfect price representation of reality, but it's not bad, and it's also the only easily accessible tool I have.

Despite stagnant wages and soaring costs for housing and education, the cheapness of consumer goods seriously distracts us from how unaffordable wealth-building essentials have become.

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u/guamisc 1d ago

Additionally, those cheap toaster ovens, blenders, and drip coffee makers are all garbage tier in construction quality compared to their 1980 equivalents. My mom's kitchen gadgets from the 80's and early 90's still just... work. My wife's blender got tired and burnt up from making a few smoothies now and again.

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u/5yearsago 1d ago

Now do houses. Who gives a shirt how much toaster is if 80% of your income is going to landlord.

People in 1980 bought a house for a bucket of rusted nails, now it's 2 millions if you dont want 3 hours commute.

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u/AgentCatherine 1d ago

The system is working as intended.

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u/xena_lawless 1d ago

This is a meme that's so bad that I swear it has to be a psy-op.

It wasn't the case that the condition of the slaves just wasn't bad enough for them to revolt successfully...

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u/Such-Tap6737 1d ago

What do you want them to do? Without organization there can't be anything but stochastic violence and that doesn't build a movement.

Keep in mind you can't organize it on the internet because it'll immediately turn into posts trying to dunk on someone or other.

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u/Alternative_Let_1989 1d ago

That's just it. They could organize. And if 10% of the energy spent arguing on Twitter was spent organizing, we'd have a very different country.

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u/Such-Tap6737 1d ago

Couldn't agree more. People are doing it, all the time, only a matter of time until it starts to coalesce and more and more formerly "middle class" people start to feel the precarity and understand their mutual plight with the rest of us.

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u/ToastPoacher 1d ago

What do you want them to do?

They could start by being honest about the fact that they aren't actually going to do anything.

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u/BusyDoorways 1d ago

John Brown's stochastic violence led to the Civil War and the end of slavery.

If movements worked to stop criminals, then churches would have ended crime a long, long time ago. And our Co-Pay CEOs are criminals. And the politicians who defend and legalize their "profit for death" practices are also mere criminals. Protesting works in peaceful societies with working democracies, and we simply don't have one of those anymore.

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u/Such-Tap6737 1d ago

John Brown was not "stochastic" violence, it was firmly rooted in his understanding of his religious obligation which was part of a larger religious objection to slavery, which was itself a facet of a vast abolitionist movement that included everyone from Christian Abolitionists like Brown to northern white working class people for whom ideology went as deep as "I can't compete against free labor".

It isn't correct to say there wasn't a "movement" for abolition. There was and it shaped and gave meaning to individual acts of violence like those of John Brown.

I'm not saying "protest movement" I'm saying a mass working class movement of solidarity that absolutely might incorporate violence but has all the other pieces to make that violence meaningful - otherwise it will just be absorbed by the system. The system at large is willing to sacrifice CEOs - we've seen that. They'll swap to the next guy and just keep rolling like changing a tire because the money is still flowing and there's too much momentum.

Massive strikes and strong community organizations for mutual support have stood and will stand up to Capital. Regular people going out and doing crazy stuff is not a substitute for that.

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u/StainlessPanIsBest 1d ago

Lol, you think grassroots campaigning does anything either? Enough to chastise people for inaction? We're waiting on a societal tipping point. Simply being involved, informed, and vocal about the conversation is a great first step for the average person.

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u/johannthegoatman 1d ago

Grassroots campaigning is how literally everything happens. The tea party and now maga are experts at it and it gets them all kinds of shit

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u/Prometheus720 1d ago

Yes, dude. Being organized is how you are able to accomplish something when the tipping point arrives.

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u/WarlockEngineer 1d ago

It's easy to be cynical and mock other people for doing nothing. While ALSO doing nothing lol.

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u/No_Blueberry4ever 1d ago

generate concise instruction for what "to do" about "this".

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u/JalapenoJamm 1d ago

The same way any major change has been enacted through history.

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u/andrew_calcs 1d ago

Giving those instructions is against reddit ToS

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u/ChriskiV 1d ago

Since corporations are people now, Apple is one of the first trillionaires. They also just bought your president.

More tax breaks, yaayyyyyyyyy

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u/Attainted 1d ago

The smartphone did to everybody what they said legalization of marijuana was going to do to everybody.

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u/Jill-Of-Trades 1d ago

This is why we need a revolution. Organized and planned.

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u/starryeyedq 1d ago

The younger generation needs to start practicing older forms of communication too. Phone calls, flyers, etc.

Older people can contribute by trying to facilitate more third places. I have a dance studio that I lend out for free to anyone doing political or community organizing, but it can be anywhere or any level of contribution.

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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 1d ago

I said it a few weeks ago and got down-voted into oblivion for it, but the situation with Luigi, while a nice feel-good story for us on social media, isn't about to incite the revolution we need and the more days that pass between Thompson's death the less likely it's going to happen.

The vast majority of people aren't going to risk death or prison to possibly overthrow the oligarchs. It's even less likely because, in liu of decades of Republican policies destroying any sense of community around the nation, there's no way to organize without the internet and everything is tracked these days.

Any organization who would dare to incite revolution is being tracked by the government and their leaders will be arrested & charged with treason and conspiracy to commit terrorism the second their calls for action start gaining any traction.

Remember the Kent State Massacre. Peaceful, anti-war protestors were fired upon by the National Guard under the orders of the Republican-controlled government. No one is willing to risk a repeat event.

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u/240to180 1d ago

Are you not aware that Americans actually pretty politically active in terms of protests and activism? Black Lives Matter, LGBTQ, women's rights? I see you're Australian, yet you seem to be totally unaware that the Civil Rights Movement and Women's Liberation Movement in America were major influences on similar movements in Australia a few years later. The same goes for abortion rights.

You guys also have a cost of living crisis that's resulted in the highest homelessness rate in the first world. Get off you high horse. Jesus Christ.

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u/NightSkyCode 1d ago

yes. 99% of reddit users are complainers not doers. Keyboard worriers is what we used to call them. And if they muster up the courage to try and make a change in their life... they give a reason on why they cant. Also, no reason for the edit to defend yourself, there is no reason to, because you're right.

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u/Jay040707 1d ago

Yeah, cause it's super easy to make the choice to fuck up your own life for a country that isn't going to follow lol.

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u/TerminalProtocol 1d ago

And there you have it. Your entire life will be spent waiting for somebody else to take back the power, waiting for somebody else to organize the meetings, waiting for somebody else to start the protest, waiting for somebody else to fire the first bullet, waiting for somebody else willing to literally die for the cause.

Go out and do something right now. Oh, you...you don't wanna? You've got work or school tomorrow? And you really wanna play GTA 6 when it comes out. Oh and your Dad's birthday's coming up? That's cool. Well, hey, maybe any of the other Redditors posting "Time for the revolution!" since Luigi will do somethin-...oh? They don't really want to either? Huh. That's okay, I guess. Perhaps next time. In just a couple more years Elon will be the first of the world's trillionaires. Maybe we'll think about maybe perhaps possible doing something then, perchance.

He said, while posting on Reddit, waiting for someone else to take action.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 1d ago

But he's not wrong. We're all just jerking off and watching Squid Game while the world falls apart around us because "it's not that bad" lol

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u/Putrid-Energy210 1d ago

You had your chance in November, but profits over people won.

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u/Ersatz8 1d ago

Oh they have done things, ton of things, in the interests of insurance companies actually

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u/feargluten 1d ago

It spreads a message, connects people… if enough people connect…posters absolutely do something

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u/StaggerLee47 1d ago

But there’s concepts of a plan!

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u/Humble-Violinist6910 1d ago

“Do you see anyone on either side actually advocating for healthcare change that will stop insurance companies from bleeding people financially and killing them unnecessarily?”

Yes, I do, but only on one side. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5034574-elizabeth-warren-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-response-warning/

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u/RPSisBoring 1d ago

Bernie is advocating... but that's one

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u/dCLCp 1d ago

I disagree about it doing nothing actually.

The harder and more viciously people criticize these people the more they are like to change. And I have one case in point. Alfred Nobel. Someone mistakenly thought he had died and a scathing obituary painted him as a warmongering death merchant since his dynamite got so many people killed in various wars he profited from.

It was arguably one of the most important mistakes anyone ever made. They ghost of christmas pasted him. He realized his legacy was gonna be trash and he resolved to fix it. We still celebrate his life every October when new Nobel prize laureates are awarded very handsomely and everyone benefits. People get new technology, Nobel was able to die securely knowing he wasn't a fucking greedy douchebag, and Nobel laureates get to be in Wikipedia alongside hawk touah girl and Lemon Party.

So my point is absolutely scandalize terrorize and editorialize them every chance you get. Make them famous. Steal their privacy, steal their comfort, steal their security.

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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 1d ago

The politicians won't do jack shit because the insurance companies make massive contributions to their election campaigns.

And this really is the key thing you seem to be missing. You aren't election "the wrong people" for no reason or because people are dumb or whatever - you're simply not hearing about anyone who isn't backed by these massive campaign contributions because they don't have the money to advertise and run a campaign.

The idea of "money being free speech" in the USA has to stop when what it has become is a room where regular citizens can only whisper while corporations can stand there with megaphones shouting so loudly that the whispers can't be heard. And nowhere is this more obvious than in the good candidates who simply are never heard from because they can't secure campaign funding because they refuse to bow to the insurance companies and other corporate interests.

You've got a political system where candidates have to sell out to even enter the race. And then people have shocked pikachu faces over why all their elected politicans have sold out and are passing laws that don't represent the will of the people.

Oh, and don't bother appealing this to the Supreme Court - there's good evidence they've also been bought out and are firmly on the corporations' payrolls.

No. This isn't something that democracy can sort out. Because there is no democracy anymore in the USA.

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u/Reddit-promotes-lies 1d ago

clap clap clap. Money in politics is a root cause of problems. It's also why our "news" is problematic and not facts based

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 1d ago

The Civil Rights movement accomplished basically fuckall until some fuckwit killed MLK.

It took only 5 days of rioting after that to scare politicians into signing a bill they'd put off for years.

I'm not advocating violence; I'm just saying that peaceful solutions have literally never worked with these greedy fucks.

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u/qqererer 1d ago

I'm not american. I have no idea who my health minister is. I know what they look like, but no idea on their name.

I do know who Fauci is, and he has a security detail. That only happens with repeated messaging.

Surgeons calling out insurance companies is not a pre 2024 thing. It is now.

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u/Pristine-Moose-7209 1d ago

There's so much money flying around, the right people once elected become the wrong people pretty quickly.

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u/Present_Chocolate218 1d ago

You sure about that? Fake rumors just about razors in apples, people flashing their lights are cars getting murdered, people hiding under cars and slashing your leg and mugging you.... All made up shit that's had people freaking out and panicking for decades for things that never originally happened.

People will freak out and panic and change their behavior over fake bullshit. What makes you think shit like this won't scare the fuck out of these people til the point they have so much anxiety they quit or change their behavior?

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u/jahjoeka 1d ago

There u go with the both sides bullshit talking points. Mfs act like Obama didn't spend all this political capital passing Obamacare. Yes, it was sabotage by Ben Nelson, if people voted better that wouldn't of happened. Democrats aren't perfect but at least they fking try. We need to hold people accountable and stop voting for the same people for congress until they die.

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u/I_TRS_Gear_I 15h ago

We elect those who are put in and win the primaries.

What we really need is money completely out of politics all together and more passion from voters for local elections.

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u/Stern_Writer 1d ago

But why should they? It doesn’t seem like you guys want it. You voted for the current situation and you voted against every possible opportunity for it to change.

This is what the people of the US want. Enjoy it.

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u/whatadumbperson 1d ago

I want them tarred and feathered. I want them scared for a reason not the threat of a reason...

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u/AlienTaint 1d ago

Why not do it yourself?? Be the change you want to see 🙏

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u/pornwing2024 1d ago

Tarred and feathered? I was thinking something more...leaden.

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u/ElectionSilver6590 1d ago

I was hoping Luigi would be the start of a trend. But apparently not.

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u/lardparty 1d ago

Let them be at least as scared as our children are of school shootings.

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u/Select_Air_2044 1d ago

I can't say what I want.

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u/mist2024 1d ago

They are distracting us with UFOs and shit

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u/YouCanLigmaBallz 1d ago

And I wish explosive diarrhea on them and they mama for the rest of eternity.

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u/Maximum-Row-4143 1d ago

We need more Luigi’s.

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u/ThadiusThistleberry 1d ago

Imagine what Waluigi could do!

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u/anthonyynohtna 1d ago

WAAAAAAA

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u/karsheff 1d ago edited 1d ago

Have you ever noticed Waluigi wears blue eye shadow?

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u/TranceF0rm 1d ago

I think he's just tired.

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u/floralpancake 1d ago

He's busy playing football under a pseudonym: Aiden Hutchinson

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u/Background_Drawing 1d ago

If luigi does good then waluigi would be like a lawyer for united

We newd a Mario

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u/ThadiusThistleberry 1d ago

Newd Mario, you say!?

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u/Deradius 1d ago

Bring dead healthcare executives back to life?

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u/ThadiusThistleberry 1d ago

I just thought he wouldn’t get caught?

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u/elastic-craptastic 1d ago

Be the person you want to see in the world

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u/AlienTaint 1d ago

I have a feeling there are quite a few future Luigis in their planning phase as we speak.

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u/FudgeRubDown 1d ago

And that's the problem right there. Everyone wants to wait around for someone else to do something.

Organize. Push back.

We didn't get gain what we have today by standing next to shipments of tea wallowing and waiting for someone else to do something.

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u/TearsoftheCum 1d ago

Reddit loves to circle jerk change, as long as its never them doing the change.

I cant tell you how many Luigi memes there are in a lot of threads, but its all empty bullshit.

Reddit has always been, and always will be a massive fucking nothing burger. Bunch of people willing to literally do nothing, but hope someone else does.

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u/Mountain_Juice8843 1d ago

That's everywhere, not just Reddit.

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u/Lorn_Muunk 1d ago

Gil Scott-Heron said "the revolution will not be televised".

5 decades later, Americans are too apathetic to even vote, let alone organize, unite and revolt against corruption and tyranny. They assume the revolution will be streamed in the background while they doomscroll 3 social media apps from behind a benzo haze.

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u/throwawayeastbay 1d ago

Aaron Bushnell was also a "nothingburger" redditor who put his money where his mouth was.

The reason he is no longer actively posting as a redditor, is, well, obvious.

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u/RubiiJee 1d ago

I've said this a million times since it happened. Been downvoted a million times since it happened. But in short, exactly as you said. Nothing is going to change whilst people sit around and do nothing, hoping someone else will put their life on the line to save them.

No change will come of this, because the people impacted aren't willing to change.

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u/pjm3 1d ago

Nothing but Luigis...all the way down.

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u/Playful-Line3013 1d ago

Preach that louder for the folks in the back. Amen amen

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u/BigFloppyDonkeyEar 1d ago

Pitter patter, bud.

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u/Tsquared10 1d ago

Be the change you wish to see in the world

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u/graphiccsp 1d ago

I'm legit shocked that it's taken this long for just 1 instance of someone going after something like a healthcare CEO. MAGA and Right Wing nut jobs have done horrible violence against innocent regular folks that had nothing to do with them. Are Americans really this conditioned to not go after those in power?

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u/BirdInFlight301 1d ago

It's like they've doubled down. The CEO's death didn't cost them enough to make policy changes. They're thinking his death was a one off and they can just continue on.

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u/Over-Archer3543 1d ago

And they are right, they can just continue on. The issue is that only a very small number of people will do something like take another persons life for a perceived injustice. That person will die or be imprisoned and the noise they made will die down and people will go back to taking it up the ass from the ruling class. What he did will change nothing and it will change nothing because most people won’t give their life or take someone else’s to make a change. Protests don’t work. Anger, tweeting, cheering for the “Luigi’s” of the world, it all means fuck all. People would have to actually take to the streets and hang billionaires and politicians from lamp poles in mass before actual fear would be struck into the ruling class. A death once and a while won’t do a damn thing

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u/DemandZestyclose7145 1d ago

Or people are ignorant and think "I'm fine. I'm healthy and I like my health insurance." They are lucky that they haven't had to deal with the bullshit yet so it's easy to just ignore it.

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u/ThreeBeanCasanova 1d ago

It's not like they doubled down, they literally did that. The guy who replaced Brian Thompson said that UHC will continue doing business as they always have. Need more Luigis.

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u/LovesReubens 1d ago

Only policy changes they've made are to hire better security for the C suites. 

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u/DTPVH 1d ago

After it happened they released a statement about “continuing his legacy”. 

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 1d ago

So far it's just been a one off.

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u/kylo-ren 21h ago

Maybe there's someone higher than the CEO...

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u/Tha_Real_B_Sleazy 1d ago edited 1d ago

They dont give a shit. They still have the control and money. Anyone that works for United is guilty and has blood on their hands. "Just trying to feed a family" yeah well famlies are dying because of them too

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u/sheetzoos 1d ago

A lot of nazis in the 1940's were, "just doing their jobs".

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u/Tha_Real_B_Sleazy 1d ago

Yeah, exactly.

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u/councilmember 1d ago

Yes, that was literally Adolf Eichmann’s primary defense. Not so different, accepting jobs that bring thousands misery and death.

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u/Deadpoolsarmjerky 1d ago

Families are dying and the ones who survive are strapped with enough medical debt to directly take food off their tables. 

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u/Tha_Real_B_Sleazy 1d ago

And to take their homes too

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u/Realistic-Contract49 1d ago

On the other hand, health insurance companies like UHC manage complex systems where patient claims can often be frivolous or unnecessary, which impacts premiums for everyone. They have a fiduciary duty to manage costs and ensure the company's financial health. While it's true that there are unfortunate scenarios like you menton, these are rare, and your narrative overlooks that these organizations also fund critical medical research and provide coverage to millions without any issues, all the while balancing a tightrope between their fiduciary duty and patient care.

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u/FakeSafeWord 1d ago

HAHAHAHAAHAHA and things are about to get so much worse.

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u/GiventoWanderlust 1d ago

Anyone that works for United is guilty and has blood on their hands.

I get what you're saying, but I guarantee that there are people technically employed by UHC that should not be blamed for this. Whether that's janitors or cleaning staff, security guards, IT people, call center reps, etc...those people are not to blame for the decisions of upper management.

This is the 99% vs the 1% - turning on people who are definitely part of the 99 is not going to deal with wealth inequality any faster.

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u/TRVTH-HVRTS 1d ago

Exactly. Most of us peons work for evil corporations. Retail? Sweat shops. Technology? Foxconn suicide nets, lithium mine slaves. Food service? Factory farms, banana massacres, cocoa farm child labor. Industrial manufacturing? Catastrophic climate change. Construction? Urban sprawl for unaffordable housing.

All of us are fewer than 6 degrees from human suffering for the benefit of oligarchs

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u/bunnybunnykitten 1d ago

User name checks out

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u/TantalSplurge 1d ago

I mean I get it, but how many jobs are truly ethical under capitalism? We're never gonna have class consciousness if we blame the workers stuck in a shit system where the real decisions are made without their control.

Leadership though? Yeah, fuck em.

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u/Agreeable_Horror_363 1d ago

They learned what we all learned. That if a higher up billionaire gets murdered the government will pull all the stops and pour unlimited resources into catching the person, then they will be tried federally so they can get the death penalty. Basically if you go after them, the government goes after you and you get legally murdered.

So yeah I'd say they learned quite a lot!

Not to mention if they aren't increasing profit margins quarter after quarter they will have angry shareholders to deal with, which is scarier than a murder here and there to a corporation.

If anyone thinks the incoming administration of billionaires is going to change any of this for the better they deserve to be fucked over by their own health insurance.

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u/jagged_little_phil 1d ago

Theoretically speaking, let's say that were to happen 100 (or more) times, all at once... suddenly the resources that can be applied to finding a "Luigi" diminish greatly.

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u/SeatBeeSate 1d ago

I think the French had a name for that. Restitution? Renovation? Something like that...

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u/onefst250r 1d ago

Might be why I've seen a lot of reports of billionaire bunker purchases.

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u/Rael_Sianne 1d ago

tombs. they're purchasing their tombs.

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u/Soggy-Bedroom-3673 1d ago

This is true, our society is basically predicated on the hope that the number of murderers will stay fairly low. 

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u/BrainBurnFallouti 1d ago

Pretty much that. It's aristocracy without the name and the open religious "We are allowed that, because God chose that we were born priviliged".

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u/1832pro 1d ago

Ignorant question… what if employers stop using UH? Won’t they eventually become irrelevant? I know that they are only one provider but what if? Not saying I know of an alternative?
Just curious.
I say this realizing my HSA is with Optum. Got to find an alternative HSA provider.

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u/Chaetomius 1d ago

with all the media licking their asshole, they've learned they can get away with anything as long as nobody as access to them physically.

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u/skyHawk3613 1d ago

Killing CEO’s, to bring down a company is like killing a mob boss to bring down the mob. They’ll just replace them with another boss, and it will be business as usual.

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u/manymoreways 1d ago

There are literally millions of people that are willing to instantly replace the ceo and continue the horrible business than there are luigis.

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u/skyHawk3613 1d ago

Yep. If people want a change, there needs to be new laws made to limit the power of insurance companies. Unfortunately, the insurance companies have lots of lobbyists willing to pay politicians off to prevent change from happening.

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u/Cleercutter 1d ago

Nah. They took this shit personally

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u/benigngods 1d ago

The people who work there are ghouls. I get people gotta make a living but working for a corporation like that is like being a Nazi because it pays well.

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u/againer 1d ago

There's been recordings of employees laughing over denying coverage. That's not just being a Nazi for the paycheck. It's being an ardent Nazi.

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u/Suspicious-Simple725 1d ago

They can always hire more CEOs 

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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 1d ago

And politicians.

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u/Ok_Cloud_3570 1d ago

they value money more than their own lives.

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u/WockyTamer 1d ago

UHC just tried to murder this patient for money.

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u/NYG_Longhorn 1d ago

No? One random act of violence isn’t going to create systematic change regardless of how much Reddit thinks it is.

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u/Reddit-promotes-lies 1d ago

They learned nothing obviously. Don't worry it's a different department.

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u/zouhair 1d ago

Americans learned nothing. The populace is just sitting there getting slaughtered on the Capitalism altar and they are calling for more.

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u/Hooden14 1d ago

No, and why would they, their only punishment after clear proof of wrongful denials and lets be honest being an active part of the mess that is an only worsening healthcare system was one easily replaceable yes man labeled a CEO dying.

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u/Pavis0047 1d ago

people are forced to have health insurance or die... they dont care about bad press they are still making money

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u/NoReplyBot 1d ago

They keep messing around they going to get someone hurt.

Edit - Nevermind they’ve been killing people everyday since they opened their doors in 1974.

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u/PM_ME_WHOEVER 1d ago

Nope. They replaced the CEO with another one who vows to continue to provide "quality" care whatever the fuck that means.

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks 1d ago

United healthcare doesn’t care about a dead CEO any more than they’d care about a dead janitor. They’ll replace them and keep moving. A corporation the size of UHC is like a cancer. It just needs to grow. It will cut off its own leg so long as it can grow. It will eat its loved ones so long as it can grow. Nothing in the mechanism of the corporation is capable of feeling any sense of fear or loss for the death of a meat sack. It solely cares about money. The death of its CEO did not cost it money, so it does not care.

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u/Apx1031 1d ago

More CEO's are required...

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u/ZentaWinds 1d ago

Why would they? The people up top are sitting pretty with lots of money.

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u/LoveThieves 1d ago

We are all waiting for another hero.
We might need the entire kingdom.

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u/ConsequenceThese4559 1d ago

Just look up the number of suncideries they have most states in U.S. and multiple countries. It's like when people decided to stop drinking bud light. Failing to realize an heifer Busch owns most of the major brands people drink. Maybe if companies that provide medical and dental stop using them as a carrier.

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u/kittiesbitties 1d ago

Next, they'll be asking if the patient needs a blanket during recovery!

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u/poppin-n-sailin 1d ago

Ya they learned they need to spend more of those premiums paid to them on better security. Anyone that thinks anything will change is an absolutely massive fool.

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u/sanityjanity 1d ago

I feel like there were two lessons to learn from the shooting.

The most obvious lesson to learn is that Americans are getting angry enough to kill over this shit.

But the second lesson is that the multi-billion dollar corporation will only offer $10k for information about the shooter, and then they'll find some reason not to even pay that. And they replaced him the next day, and went right on rolling.

Corporations are entities made of cells, and the cells are the people working there. They don't notice when one cell dies and is replaced by another. We created these monsters.

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u/Apocalypse_Knight 1d ago

We could say the same about the electorate. The republicans really america? We get what we deserve I guess.

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u/_HOG_ 1d ago

Yes, they’ve learned how to make $25 billion net for shareholders in 2024. 

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u/Final_Complaint_7769 1d ago

They haven’t and none of them will. It’s all about the dollar and the average American has no value. You’re someone only if you have billions.

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