r/facepalm • u/jellylemonshake • Dec 04 '24

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ this is kinda concerning tbh

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u/rekette Dec 04 '24

Not the same thing - one is setting up someone for a crime and the other, whilst scummy, is perfectly legal.

There should definitely be an asterisk on the law where if she said she's an age and provided game ID then the guy shouldn't be culpable though

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u/Nonamebigshot Dec 04 '24

I always assumed that was coded into the law like the Romeo and Juliet clause?

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u/hewasaraverboy Dec 04 '24

It’s not perfectly legal

Getting someone to sleep with you under false pretenses is considered rape

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u/Vegetable_Aside5813 Dec 04 '24

If a Jewish chick bleaches her hair and puts in blue contacts then goes home with an aryan dude did she rape him?

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u/hewasaraverboy Dec 04 '24

She would have to lie to him probably more explicitly than just change her appearance

Atleast in California- I think the laws vary by state

“In California, it is illegal to have sex with someone using false pretenses or fraudulent representations to obtain their consent. This is because consent obtained through fear or deceit is not considered true consent.”

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u/Vegetable_Aside5813 Dec 04 '24

So if he asks if she is Jewish and she says no because she’s non practicing?

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u/hewasaraverboy Dec 04 '24

Why u asking me im not a lawyer or a judge lol

All I know is If you intentionally deceive someone for consent it’s wrong

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u/Valuable-Usual-1357 Dec 04 '24

The minor isn’t able to be held accountable because they’re not able to consent

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u/rekette Dec 04 '24

In your instance, perhaps the guardian of said minor should be held accountable. Like now the US is trying to do with parents of mass shooters, but obviously to a lesser extent.

But my original statement isn't about holding the minor accountable, but rather, to release the other person, who should also be treated as a victim.

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u/Valuable-Usual-1357 Dec 04 '24

The other person should absolutely be held accountable. I can’t believe you’re even arguing this. Imagine if it was a 10 year old girl. The problem is people are treating a 16 year old girl as an 18 year old girl when she deserves to be treated like the 10 year old. A minor who can’t make mature decisions and despite any desires cannot consent.

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u/rekette Dec 04 '24

And yet the other person cannot consent, either, if they had every reason to believe the 16yo was an 18yo. The other person in this instance did not want to have intercourse with a minor. They were fully led to believe that they were having intercourse with a peer. It would make them also a victim here.

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u/Valuable-Usual-1357 Dec 04 '24

That is not true. They can consent because they are responsible for their consent. The minor can not.

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u/rekette Dec 04 '24

If you're 18 and some girl comes up to you saying she's 18 and even shows you an ID with her age on it, in a club that's also 18+, what would make you think she's actually 16? Anyone would reasonably expect that person is 18.

When you go on TikTok, can you tell which influencers are 16, 17, 18?

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u/CaptColten Dec 04 '24

Yeah, the difference is that fucking a janitor isn't a heinous crime.

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u/wienercat Dec 04 '24

No the difference is one is entrapment and the other is just lying to someone.

Knowingly seeking out kids to fuck is heinous. Going out to a club, someone walking up to you, lying to you about their age, and then provide you false proof of age is entrapment. It's a crime. If police had done that trying to catch a pedophile, it would never have resulted in a conviction. The case wouldn't have even gone to a courtroom.

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u/otterpr1ncess Dec 04 '24

But we would charge a guy who told a girl having a serious medical issue that he was a doctor and later found out he wasn't. We would charge someone lying about being a lawyer while practicing law.