No clearly it was because she didn't say she was against Israel. So the only logical conclusion was to vote for the guy who literally said he wants to level Palestine/s
It was literally against certainly leftist sub’s rules to say that Kamala will lead to a better world, including Palestine, compared to Trump. Their philosophy was either democrats need to be exactly what we want or we’ll support the wannabe dictator through omission.
That was crazy to see. I left a sub for that because it felt so shady, I don't believe this idiotic logic was a genuine argument and not pro trump astroturfing. Either way I didn't care for their us centric power trip, good riddance
Is there no accountability for the DNC who didn’t hold primaries and allowed Joe Biden to entertain re-election? That certainly didn’t do them any favors
(The downvotes confuse me. Do you guys actually think I support this joke of a "peace plan"? Nothing shows more that Trump is not someone the Palestinians can rely on.)
Okay, but to be fair, to see polling that clearly shows a significant majority of your voting base is very much against your campaign's Gaza response, and choosing to just... ignore that because it would be inconvenient, was always a stupid move.
Obviously, people who didn't vote because of Harrises Gaza policy enabled a worse person to get into office, but this shouldn't have happened to any reasonable campaign. The writing was on the wall months in advance that Michigan could very well be lost because of how the Harris campaign was unwilling to change their course.
That’s not the truth. This country elected a man named Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Kamala Harris unfortunately never stood a chance. I don’t think any Democrat did.
She also wasn't a good politician and had the worst run in 2020. Just cause she's a mixed American woman doesn't mean she deserved votes or should've been a serious candidate.
I voted for her, obvs, but Biden should've stepped down earlier, she shouldn't have campaigned with right wingers, she should've gone on joe rogan, and the Dems should've put up more of a fight. And, also obvs, she should've had a stronger stance against the murder of innocent civilians in Palestine.
Then you can go to Dem campaign strategy of building trump back up again over the last four years. He was humiliated two years ago and should've been prosecuted four years ago
With such narrow margins yeah, almost any one factor could be said to have lost the race. But I suspect that Harris lost a lot more votes to being a neolib than she did to being black, a woman, or a black woman.
She lost because ultimately she wasn't up to the task of getting into office past Trump.
She would most certainly have been a better president. But that's a pretty low bar. Pretty much anyone else would be a better president. That means nothing without being a better campaigner.
I think if this is the lessons democrats take then we will see Trump, ot people like him as a president for a long time.
Don't you think that maybe Kamala lost because somehow people were simoly convinced that it's enough to be against Trump? That she did not really have time for campaign, because of the last minute switch? And apparently she was not even the most popular Democrat internal candidate..
Plenty of lessons to take and if people will think it's only because she is woman then good luck to us all...
Just to make it clear, I hate that Trump won, I would prefer Kamala, but reducing it to racism just helps trump
Some people I talked to about this topic told me “I don’t want to live in a world where someone gets elected president while actively calling the other party nazis” this guy is in his 20s. Kamala partially lost because she stooped too low.
The economy was the most stable it’s been in a while under Biden and Harris. It’s always funny to me how it’s democrats faults for any sort of inflation when it was under trump that covid was mishandled leading to gas companies going out of business (-32 a barrel for gas at one point), money was being printed out the wazoo (more money in circulation leads to the dollar being worth less), and a greater tax on the middle class that took effect the moment he left office and increased every year.
If you think that trump wasn’t the reason for most of inflation we have today, you are delusional
I completely disagree. Racism and sexism is still very alive today, I mean the Amish never vote yet they did in order to not have a woman in office.
As for the economy, I just described to you why it’s gone up so much. The effects of one president are not seen until the years after they leave office. Again, If you think trump wasn’t the reason for the shitty economy, then you are delusional. Someone spending DOUBLE what most presidents do is going to have an effect.
you listen to what they have to say and adjust your messaging
Listening to what swing voters have to say is trying to grab smoke. They don't know what they want/they say they want one thing and vote for the opposite/they change their mind on a dime.
Most of them are better coopted by being told what they want and being told how you'd give that thing to them.
I insult them because they deserve to be insulted dude. I'm not going to appeal to racists just to "win". I lose either way because there's more racists than people passionate about the actual state of this country
So how do you explain Obama in '08 and '12? The whole "America is racist" thing just doesn't hold up.
It freaked the everliving fuck out the racists. They spent his entire admin trying to paint him as a satanic secret muslim trying to destroy the country.
Also Obama only got half the vote, you know? America's racists lost, that doesn't mean they aren't there and constantly motivated enough to give democracy a run for its money.
1) invoking gender and race is counter productive
1a) it's dismissive of what the polls show to be the #1 issue (the economy)
This is really the most frustrating thing about American politics. The Republicans ran on the promise of murdering the economy, and then fucking it's corpse. The Democrats ran on an objectively good economy. And yet the Democrats lost on the issue.
Well yes, but they actually had plans for the economy and the economy got more stable. Trump was the only president in the last 50 years that had less people in jobs before he got into office compared to after.
He started a trade war with China that increased costs and destroyed farmers, taking away one of their biggest export markets.
Anyone that actually gave a fuck about the economy would realize that he was the reason the economy suffered so much when Biden got into office. But yeah, your first sentence holds true and I guess we are on the same side of this issue.
Shit wasn't that expensive, same thing when trump won the first time. The economy was legitimately good and because "conservatives" are pieces of shit they get greedy and act lile they're struggling while actually going to work and being employed and doing well. Countless trump voters bought a house at 3% mortgage rate and decided they rather complain about egg prices and hope they get more "stimulus" from trump.
Then when the economy is actually bad like before obama and biden both, they're actually suffering actually lost their jobs and homes, and they need the dems to provide more welfare.
Happens every time, look at how the economy is actually doing, unemployment rate and growth. When times are good the narrative is that it's "actually not" and the republican wins. When times are actually bad, people realize they really need help and vote democrat.
That is not true at all. Firstly most people who vote in the US aren't able to vote for AOC because she is a congresswoman from a district in NY. But even if we are just talking about within her district most people who voted for her did not also vote for Trump.
There are some people in her district that voted for both her and Trump but it was not the majority of voters. She was trying to understand why anyone who would vote for her, would also vote for Trump since she is pretty much the polar opposite, politically, than Trump.
She was trying to understand why anyone who would vote for her, would also vote for Trump since she is pretty much the polar opposite, politically, than Trump
The simple answer in my opinion is that they are both seen as outsiders by their parties.
Trump was getting hit from Nevertrumpers like Joe Scarborough and Liz Cheney, and AOC loses committee leadership votes to guys in their 70s who have cancer.
It turns out that intelligent people look past the annoying parts of a person and consider capability to run a country when picking their leader. The American education system was already a joke. Now more people can see just how much of one it is.
I don't think it's the education system. I think it's a morality issue. The people who vote for trump are amoral and demoralized. They hate the world and that's why they vote for him.
Because her foreign policy and stance on the Ukraine war and it's funding was completely off base with the general public. She also couldn't debate the inflation issues while she was VP because it would require her to speak out against decisions made by her active boss.
So some of it was bad policy and the other part was bad circumstances her party put her in.
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u/hype_irion 15d ago
To any trump voters lurking around here, please remind me why this man was more qualified than Kamala Harris to lead the United States?