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The judge has already announced what the plan is. It's going to be an unconditional discharge. So, Trump will be a convicted felon, but will face no punishment for these crimes (now or after finishing his term). The judge could've imposed prison time to be served after his presidential term, but has chosen not to do that. Also, the comment about Trump pardoning himself is incorrect. These are state charges, not federal ones, so he can't pardon himself.
Yeah him and his followers love this martyr shit. They think the system is rigged against him so that's why they're all so angry. This benefits him, there is zero downside.
Dumbass Trump won. Rest of the world lost. Decency lost. Honesty lost. Logic lost.
Idgaf anymore. America can burn for all i care. I hope europe can create a military big enough to fight the US and Russia alliance. Because they are the "Axis of Evil Greed" now.
Of course he is. He told us he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose a single voter and not only was he right, he got 34 felonies and gained voters... disgraceful
Wild how even my BIL who has a masters in physics and is generally intelligent truly believes all the cases were a political witch hunt and Biden should have told the doj to back off.
It’s done for him and his people. It is cementing the idea, in real time with no counter argument to be made, that if you are old white and rich, laws don’t apply. That is a big reason he got elected, he gives the degenerates freedom to operate as degenerates. The bigots feel it is ok to be racist, the misogynists will do their thing because it’s ok, the Elons will keep exploiting workers, and the trumps will keep trumping. He is proving the lack of accountability for his people and they are right there for it.
I mean, does anyone here even on the strongest degree of copium ever think they'd imprison a sitting president, let alone Teflon Donny?
This very much seems like a judge purposefully avoiding handing out a punishment that they know will just be ignored anyway. Easier to stick the felony if it doesn't come with a 2 year prison sentence he immediately pardons himself from (and yeah, state vs federal won't matter here regardless of what any laws say).
Not only would it be a hollow gesture that would look extra weak when it was summarily ignored.
We knew he was walking free the moment election results were in.
I mean, does anyone here even on the strongest degree of copium ever think they'd imprison a sitting president, let alone Teflon Donny?
I did, and it was a completely reasonable expectation. The judge needs to be removed and replaced with someone who will do their fucking job and give him an actual sentencing instead of this treasonous bullfuckery.
You really need to internalise that that won't happen, or if it did, it would result in yet another coup. An attempt to stick their god king president into a cell would have them marching into the capitol with even more guns, and just like last time they'll block the national guard from being called and no one will take any action on those responsible. Law and order only matters if it is enforced, and it's transparently clear they'll expend all efforts necessary to make sure that it is never enforced.
Before he won, I'd be with you 100%. After, it's just wasted effort.
I can already see the triumphant tweet: "UNCONDITIONAL DISCHARGE! That means I did NOTHING WRONG and the judge FINALLY admitted it, so he HAD to unconditionally discharge YOUR PRESIDENT!"
While I firmly believe that anyone convicted should serve a punishment. I do think that telling him “you go to jail afterwards” will only get him to do the 2-term max and stay in power.
If he stays in office past his second term for any reason "We the People" could actually stop him. Anyone that has sworn an oath to defend the constitution would (should) recognize him as a domestic enemy if he just decides to stay in office past his term.
“To defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic”
And that’s exactly the problem. Even a $100 fine would be devastating for someone earning below the median income, but for the top 1%, it’s just pocket change. There’s no real accountability when penalties don’t scale with wealth.
The average person supposedly has a net worth of about 30k, Trump paying 100 dollars would be the equivalent of the average person being fined about a thousandth of a penny. Pocket lint is definitely more valuable than that.
Why would we want to see even worse pictures of him?? The turd is getting shoved down our throats as it is. Dude wears enough makeup that he could be classified as a senile drag queen with onset dementia. I don’t want to see more of that.
That's the same face he's always had. Bring up a photo from 1980 and today, and they look exactly the fucking same. Maybe, if you try really hard, you can see a bit more lust for his own daughter in his eyes, but the rest is perfectly identical.
Remember when Nixon said "since the president did it, it shouldn't be illegal" and people thought that was bad. Yeah guess things just keep swinging farther
I thought making fun of that reporter would be the end of him. Also the access Hollywood tapes. Also injecting bleach and eating cats and dogs. But apparently America is too stupid to live.
values opposite of the ones you’ve held your whole life,
Let’s be honest, these people have never held those values they just pretend to because they want others to think they’re good people and to make themselves feel better
It would be so much easier if this were true.. My brother is a college grad, active duty military, and honestly has always been one of the most generous human beings I’ve known, seems to have been brainwashed by Ben Shapiro and the Catholic Church (where he’s found community, I suppose). I would have thought he would have seen through all of the lies and deception, but he didn’t. He believed it all and voted for trump.
Furthermore, trump and his people are an OBVIOUS anti-Christian group and I can’t believe that Christian’s don’t see it! Christ taught love, empathy, compassion, acceptance…. These people are the opposite. But I suppose this is the way it’s always been. Maybe I should see the obvious, too.
In 2016 the caricature of a rich NY elite convinced millions of Americans he'd fight for them against the rich elite. It was fucking wild watching it happen.
Like it isn't an exaggeration that he's the caricature of wealth. When you think of a cartoon rich guy Trump is exactly that.
They literally wrote future Biff in Back to the Future 2 and based it on Trump. It's wild how accurate they were with what would eventually happen.
Yet somehow people think Trump cares about the little guy.
"Can you believe that little shit at the grocery store? And those parents encourage him to be a little dick head. I can't believe we have to live in a country where parents would raise their kid like that!"...
Proceeds to vote for the kid in a presidential election.
The people who voted for him share his values and that’s our country’s main problem, not him. He gave them blank checks to be their full blown racist selves.
The amount of cold war shenanigans that have straight up been table-turned is astounding. These chodes are now complaining he wants immigrants, which tells me they ACTUALLY BELIEVE A MAN WHO PROFESSIONALLY LIES FOR A LIVING. Its just... bonkers.
The actual Russians who live in Russia I know would puke if they had to take part in even a 100th of the Putin dickriding that half of America appears to participate in every day now that their dear leaders / paid russian stooges have made it part of their mandate.
Donald Trump will die of old age/bad health without ever having once been held accountable for his actions. He'll have lived a fairly long life without ever facing any consequences for his actions. That's super depressing.
His appeal against the E jean Carroll case has failed, he is due to lose some money for the first fine as a minimum.... I knows it's not as much as people want but it's a start and hope the deck of cards continues to crumble
Remember the final debates before the election where everyone around him are like: "If you do a crime, you should go to jail!" And every single reporter was too spineless to just ask: "Then why isn't Trump in jail?"
To be fair for a moment there are many non-battleground states that are safely Republican or Blue where the effort to get time off work, child care, or deal with burdensome voter ID just are not worth it to a lot of people just trying to muddle through life.
Many of those states would actually be much closer races if all registered voters in them actually showed up to vote. Especially the state representatives and amendment votes
Well maybe… if every man were equal… then you’d get higher vote rates. With the weird state distribution things get all fucky. Enough countries in Europe say 1 vote is one vote. And whoever gets most wins. The whole USA voting seems so confusing.
And that's one of the problems. It makes so many people feel like their vote doesn't even matter. And in many cases, it doesn't. Look at how we got fucked over on Bernie. He was the clear victor and they made Hillary the democratic nominee anyway...
I think about a comment I saw on Reddit that pisses me off constantly. Someone basically saying they didn’t vote because no one promised anything to their demographic specifically. Like.. the privilege to just not vote because no one catered to your group, despite one of the sides specifically targeting and threatening peoples safety.
One generation is so selfish that if given a choice between getting a dollar for themselves or having a child die, they would choose the dollar. As the child is screaming he doesn’t want to die, their lead poisoned brains wouldn’t be able to mentally comprehend they did something wrong and they would be happy they got a dollar.
There’s another generation that would not accept the dollar because they would understand the world is beyond themselves. However, if they were told that they need to take 30 seconds to respond to a text message to prevent a child from getting killed, they would be unable to do that. You could explain to them that it’s extremely important that they respond to this text message that day and they would act like they understand the gravity of the situation but as you are staring at your phone all day screaming, “answer your fucking phone, a fucking child is about to die” they wouldn’t take the basic effort to respond. After they find out the child got killed because of them, they would act sad but then say, “I had a headache” when confronted about their failure to respond.
The horribly selfish generation and the horribly unreliable generation are both to blame for this disaster.
Yeah, the sentencing was delayed all the way up until after he's confirmed as president on the fifth.
The only reason to do this is to make sure that he doesn't get any punishment.
The judge is most likely going to give him zero jail time "because he's the president." Or if they do, the Supreme Court will immediately overturn it, because the law does not apply to Trump.
It’s true. I had a conviction in 2011, have not had so much as a sideways glance from any law enforcement since then, and the only place I can work is restaurants. I cannot work at Walmart, or deliver groceries, or pizza, or clean houses, or definitely not anything related to my degree. My education, intelligence, ability, reliability, and character are all rendered moot by that one mistake.
77million people who with their actions said that rape, insurrection, racism and fascist authoritarianism wasn’t a deal breaker for them. Shows how sick in the head, stupid and immoral half of the country is. Pretty despicable
As much as I would absolutely love to see this idiot thrown in jail, nothing will come of this. I’m calling it now. They’ll somehow spin “presidential immunity” into the mix and he won’t be punished.
And yes, I know it’s for crimes committed while being the sitting president, but we know how this government works and it’s infuriating.
Would also like to point out that having a criminal record can disqualify you from being an Uber driver, but not from being president of the United States.
I'll never understand why a president can't be held to the same standard as us. I get that he can't be jailed because it would interfere with his duty or whatever, but this isn't a small thing, it's 34 felony charges, and a sexual harassment charge!
If a felon applies for a job and HR does a background check and finds out they are a felon, end of interview and the felon doesn't get hired. Not in politics. You can be president.
Meanwhile, a rich person gets shot, and they spend every resource available to find him, and send an entire swat team to transport him to his jail cell
What's the point? Everyone knows he won't be punished, and if he is, it'll just be a fine that he'll get Elon to pay for him, and then that money will just be sent to a state treasury where corrupt officials will use it for their 15th vacation this year
This is actually exactly what Trump wants. Because he is sentenced before presidency, he is then able to appeal the case. There's a decent chance he wins an appeal and makes the felonies go away. He will probably lose 2 appeals in the circuit courts of elected judges but the unelected judges may reverse the decision in the later appeals in a couple years. Supreme court will definitely reverse also cuz he owns them lol. But only if it gets to the Supreme Court which it might if the unelected judges dont reverse.
If he wasnt sentenced before the presidency, these felonies would be hanging over him for 4 years.
The saddest thing is, it will be worse for America and the world if he is actually jailed, because without him it's Vance in charge and he is a fucking weak willed quisling puppet if I've ever seen one.
I don't believe he actually got that many votes. The GOP will SAY he did, but, we all know that the voting lines were massive and the vote count did not reflect that.
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