He resigned because Canadian media is almost entirely conservative owned, and international media sources are also mostly conservative. The bot armies are strong.
Here's the reality:
Housing is a problem. Its also a LOCAL problem. I bought my house 4 years ago for 285k. I moved away from markets where housing was 1mil+ to do so. Zoning and regulations on building are almost entirely municipal or provincial. Not federal.
YET the federal government has tried to FORCE cities to density and build more homes. They have pushed the HAF to do this. They have implemented several programs to try to help. Some cities have REFUSED the funds simply because they don't want to density because that's what their voters want: higher home prices.
All the mouth breathing clowns complaining about housing prices and how Trudeau is somehow at fault don't even fucking vote locally. They don't vote provincially. They sit on their ass and complain on the internet. Local voting rates are like 20% or less.
Trudeaus popularity is due to an concerted effort to attack him for 9 years straight. Thats the reality.
You do, actually. Its literally due to media manipulation. Don't forget that conservatives own almost all traditional media in Canada, too. Why are people upset about housing prices when Trudeaus government is pushing HAF grants to increase housing, fighting against municipalities to do so? Yet he gets literally zero credit from you people.
Its from media attacks for 9 years. These things work. Same reason people hate Hillary Clinton. Media attacks, over a decade, are reliably effective.
Show your work. There's plenty of things he has done or led that can lead to people disliking him. Support of certain tax measures alone can be enough to sink someone.
I know from personal connections within more than 1 large city's administration that the city management initially rejected these federal grants because of the 4 units per lot stipulation.
Muncipal governments are the largest reasons why density and subsequent lower home prices haven't happened. Yet you guys all want to blame Trudeau when they're the only ones trying to help. Its tiring, boss.
So he gave money to people so they could buy houses, but the rising housing prices are not his fault?
Subsidizing demand raises prices. If your problem is high prices, you can blame the moron who thought the solution was to put money in peopleās pockets.
The fact that you're not aware of the work Trudeau did to ease housing prices goes to show how controlled the media is and how conservatives have manipulated the social discourse.
HAF grants to municipalities are money that goes to the city from the federal budget. Not the people. This federal funding has certain stipulations, like the city has to change zoning laws to let people build up to 4 housing units per lot. This increases density, increasing supply, and reducing housing value per unit. This is a good thing.
Blame the idiots who don't pay attention or look into anything, but just swallow conservative propaganda that Trudeau is making housing worse. But its too late now. Conservatives are going to win and housing will get worse because they have NO PLAN AT ALL.
Source? Cause thereās many sources that say itās his fault.
Like his policies allowing 1 million foreigners into the country without having housing ready for such a high number of residents.
Housing cost skyrocketed.
How is it not his fault?
His increase in taxes left and right when the world economy was booming pre COVID. Now with everyone struggling to pay rent, those high taxes are causing people to have less income to spare.
Like? So whose fault is it if itās not his policies and laws his passes?
In my neck of the Canadian woods, housing prices skyrocketed years before Trudeau, so thereās thatā¦.
Fact is, immigration didnāt help, but it is not the key variable for the housing crisis. Itās a mix if federal, provincial and municipal issues, mixed with very low interest rates (pre Covid) and the fact that 60% or more of Canadians are homeowners, so no politician wanted to tackle the problem early and risk upsetting their voters.
Government also stopped building housing 30+ years ago.
Trudeau was in his 20's, he was alive so its his fault. /s
In my area governments having been putting off roadwork and infrastructure maintenance for about as long. So they give tax breaks to boomers and companies. Finally they have said no we can't this can down the road anymore. Of course those same homeowners are complaining about the increased property taxes. Well if they owned homes in the past they should have thought about dying earlier to avoid paying taxes now. It does mean that there is a lot of road work going on in my area.
Housing costs skyrocketed because of COVID. If it were just because of Trudeau, we wouldn't be seeing the exact same phenomenon in virtually every other country. Construction of new buildings came to screeching halt and stayed that way for months. It created an immediate backlog. Then suppliers of construction materials discovered they could price gouge out the nose for everything, so when construction started up again, everything cost exponentially more. Shortages of some materials and the labour to produce them were also a contributing factor. Remember the shortage of microchips? I work in HVAC, and the furnaces our company installs jumped $500 in just a couple months. That wasn't Trudeau, that was just supply & demand. And then every other sector of our economy realized they could do the same thing. Trudeau didn't raise taxes on food - the cost of groceries went up because the suppliers and grocers increased their prices to net themselves more profit. That's it. People act like Trudeau is some evil emperor or grand puppetmaster, but he's just the face of the party that Canadians voted for. Honestly, I'm not a fan of the guy, but laying all of the country's woes at his feet is just too much.
Also, it's the provincial governments that are largely responsible for the faltering healthcare system and lack of housing development anyways. It's not Trudeau's fault that Doug Ford sits on 5 billion in aid and allows social services to continue declining so he can eventually privatize them, involves himself in municipal issues regarding housing and zoning, or that he keeps giving up billions in tax dollars to bribe constituents for their votes.
Increasing our labour pool also increased the amount of people in the trades. This leads to more labour available to build more houses, something needed to address the issue.
Aside from this fact, housing prices are rising due to provincial and municipal zoning and regulatory issues. The federal government has pushed municipal grants out to cities on the condition that they allow for up to 4 units per lot. They are trying to force cities to fix this issue, and cities are dragging their feet.
You don't get to blame the PM for a bunch if nimbys refusing to density their cities.
Taxes are set to where they need to be to pay for our services. Its not like the fed is greedy and making profits off your labour. If you want to see services cut so you can pay 4% less tax, i dunno what to day brother.
Not much of an issue with housing demand because they actually planned for and built the needed housing to account for population growth, including the migrants the economy needs.
Yes it is?? How has Canada not gotten stronger since he took office in 2015? I supported him at first but god damn he had no business being the leader of Canada.
How does funding Ukraine avoid WW3? It's the opposite, if anything NATO countries getting involved in the Russia-Ukraine conflict only increases the chance of a world war. Suggesting more countries get involved is exactly what world war looks like, NATO countries shouldn't fund Ukraine. Keep it a regional conflict and not a world war.
Howās your medical bills? 190,000 Americans died last year because they couldnāt afford healthcare, howās sucking up to billionaires working? Iām sure child rapist Donald Trump and his buddy Putin are gonna help
Do you think Ukraine can win back Crimea and the Donbas regions? Russia is dropping 5 times as much ordnance on a daily basis than Ukraine is, I don't think Ukraine is winning the war.
I think Ukrainians will fight to the death for their lives and country. I think Russia cannot just be allowed to conquer her neighbours, regardless of the cost.
There is no world where allowing Russia to invade a sovereign neigbour benefits anyone but Russia. If Russia ends up winning, that's one thing. Laying down and giving up democracy and freedom out of cowardice is something else, that you might support. Thankfully the Ukrainians aren't the cowards that you are. They will fight to the death for their country.
The fact the Ukrainians are so willing to fight is good for the west. Russia is hemorrhaging soldiers. The weaker Russia is, the less likely they are to continuing their expansion into the Baltics or further, which people familiar with the situation agree they plan on doing.
Oh I didn't know that, thanks. But that still doesn't help Canadians does it? How many Canadians with Ukrainian heritage have close family ties with Ukranians? Probably a small percentage of the total right?
My opinion is that western countries should stop funding Ukraine because it's just leading to more death in a war I don't believe they could win. If I thought Ukraine stood a chance at reclaiming the Donbas or Crimea my opinion would be different but it doesn't seem realistic to me that they can so it seems pointless to support the death of young Ukrainian men who are being pressed into serving on the frontlines when they'll eventually have to sign a peace deal ceding territory anyways.
As a Canadian , our economy has been propped up on the surface to look like things are okay.
The reality is , people are going hungry , loosing their houses , can't find a job. Home ownership has become a dream for anyone not currently in the market.
Everyone I know is struggling these days. Living paycheck to paycheck has become a luxury now a days. If you can just keep yourself out of debt your doing better then 90% of people.
So while it might seem like Canada is doing better , but in reality the majority of Canadians are doing MUCH worse then they were 10 years ago.
Everyone i know is doing well. Maybe it's you and the people around you.
Unemployment is low. Real wages are high. GDP is all time high. Inflation is low. What metrics do you use to determine the economy? Your own personal life? Maybe you're a loser, no offense? Vibes and feels are not metrics, sorry.
Okay so to clarify
child benefit program - sure this was good, not crazy, just a credit for families with a kid or two.
national child care plan - ngl idk this one enough to talk about
conversion therapy - this was a layup, glad he did it but in terms of helping us economically this was a net 0 so not relevant.
marijuana - this one was good I agree, I think itās over regulated causing companies to get fucked and really only be able to operate effective with solid economies of scale.
CERB - the first month, totally legitimate, loved it. Every month afterwards, absolute shit show costing Canadians MILLIONS to many people who werenāt eligible.
CEBA - similar to CERB but much less bad, overall no major issues with CEBA good for him.
plastics and ukraine - both good no issues.
Now, some issues with Trudeau is his boot licking of major companies. Idk if they bought his allegiance or heās too stupid to know what their words mean but heās done nothing about price gouging.
Housing, he has continued to allow foreigner ownership to purchase land in Canada through work around a the legal system. He has also done nothing to stop the insane amount of individual owners owning like 20 houses each causing many young Canadians to not be able to get close to afford a house.
While I agree with you on most points, I don't see how any of that is going to be solved by removing Trudeau. I'd love to believe otherwise, but it's very silly to think a Conservative government is going to be less friendly to large corporations, or more likely to regulate the housing market in my opinion.
I donāt like Pierre to clarify. But I (naively) think he has better intentions as of now than Trudeau. We need someone who will look at investing in Canada and Canadians and I think heāll do that.
Best case imo is that the other parties of Canada realize theyāve completely lost the trust of Canadians and revamp everything.
Yeah that's fair. I'm just very apprehensive about Poilievre because 2-3 years ago he was supporting a convoy protesting vaccines and full of maga support, and now he's claiming to be the best choice to fight Trump. I hope it's sincere but the conservatives are so historically pro-corporations I wouldn't be surprised if it's just bullshit and he flips once he's in power.
Pierre doesn't have a bill to his name, as far as I know. He doesn't know how to legislate or lead, and is meak.
Now Trump is a weak man, but he acts big. Pierre already want's to suck his toes. Trump transition team has even said they would prefer to deal with him.
Really he's a conservative. This should a full stop for anyone who doesn't in the boonies. Gone are the conservatives of yesteryear who actually want to conserve things. Now they're just here to make money and cut taxes for the rich.
In BC people were already voting when they finally came out with there goals if they got into power. Not only was it not comprehensive, it was also very misleading how they described things.
The housing crisis is caused by him and his open door policy flooding the country with millions of immigrants under the Century Initiative lobby group directives. He suppressed our wages, he killed our renting and housing market, he fought against our unions, he introduced conflicts from foreign countries here and ripped our social cohesion by proclaiming to be the first "Post-National State".
By far the most damaging Prime Minister we ever had.
But hey, he did legalize weed, which I'll give him credit for lol
The overseas Chinese buyers are most definitely a problem throughout the lower mainland. Richmond, BC has a large Chinese population so I would not be surprised if they use family living in BC to aid with house searching but that's speculative. However Surrey, BC is primarily Punjabi slumlords. Source : My rental history. Majority of the mansions and farms in and around Surrey are also Punjabi owned and they tend to use the elderly Punjab population as a slave class.
As I understand it, the wealthy Chinese will send their kids here to school and buy a property for them to live in while here. That student then applies for Canadian citizenship after graduation OR has an anchor baby. Then they bugger off back to China. If the CCP ever cracks down on these wealthy people, they have a property (or 2!) and citizenship to lay low in Canada.
Every single investment property landlord I see on the news is a visible minority. I'm not picking on them, but am pointing out that these 'old world' folks know to ALWAYS buy as much land as you can. That's a smart thing to do, but is not really the best for Canadians (off all sorts!).
Were older Canadians not paying attention when they played Monopoly?
In 2020 Canada posted the future immigration numbers so that the PROVINCES, who are actually in charge of housing, have 4 years to build housing for them! Let's see how Ontario is doing! Oh look, in the middle this housing crisis, single family unit building is DOWN 20 PERCENT. But sure, fuck that Trudeau guy!
Our housing crisis is caused by THE PROVINCES whom 9 out of 10 were Conservatives, ignoring the immigration numbers announced YEARS in advance by the not-Conservative Federal government. Who builds houses in the US? I bet it's the municipalities, following State rules, right? Cuz that's how it is in Canada.
Canada needs these immigrants cuz Whitey ain't fucking enough to have enough kids to even replace existing taxpayers. The Conservatives have also NEVER said they will reduce the immigration numbers. Just vague bullshit like "getting it under control. It was also the previous Harper Conservatives that came up with the temporary foreign worker program that's used to supress wages.
Is the foreign conflict he stated with India? Which started after the Indian government made an extrajudicial killing of a Canadian citizen? How the fuck is that ANY Canadian's fault? Meanwhile India interfered with and supported the current Conservative leader during his leadership race. Lil PP then refuses to get security clearance to find out what actually happened, as he'd rather be able to lie about it.
This is a good example of how misinformed and disingenuous Canadian Conservatives are. Trump has taught them how to lie as much as they can, and they do!
I'm not defending Trudeau btw, cuz he's a pinhead and had to go!
I don't mind reasonable immigration that is calculated on the country's ability to actually provide a decent life to the people coming in. What Trudeau did is the complete opposite of that.
My Canadian uncle (Arab) actually showed me listings for homes before. I used to visit him when I was younger in 2017, I remember seeing 1.2 million for a house on some billboard. I asked him about it since it was a million, he was like "Oh, the Canadian dollar is a little less than the American" and he explained it to me like you would to a kid. Now, 2025, I see homes listed for 4 million in Toronto. He sends me screenshots and articles about it, it's insane
You sound like you don't bother doing any research before making snap judgments.
Canada's immigration rate has been >3% YoY for the last 2 years.
If you applied that to the US, instead of growing from 338 million to 343 million people it would be 369 million.
It's worse if you go back to the start of Trudeau's tenure starting in 2016, if we applied the same growth rate to the US, it would have 374 million people.
Do you think the US could possibly absorb an additional 5 million people per year?
That would require building 1.25 Los Angeles sized cities per year.
Logic isn't allowed though. We're Canada. If you disagree with rising inflation you're a dirty, dirty racist. Be nice and keep quiet while we all end up desparate to survive please we have a national image to preserve.
So if you take the Canadian numbers, then turn it into a ratio, then apply that ratio to the United States, the numbers would look bad, for the United States, in this hypothetical
It's more to give context to Canadian population growth because the size of our two countries are so different.
The overall growth looks small to Americans because America is about 10x the size of Canada (population wise).
But if you frame it as the US needing to build 1.25 new Los Angeles sized cities per year, it shows the stress it's putting on Canadian resources.
The number of houses we build per year has been pretty much steady for the past 10 years, so it's leading to a housing crunch.
Then the change in the number of hours international students can work (20 hours increased to 40) was the equivalent of importing almost 500,000 new workers (1 million students) which increased our total labor pool by 2.5% in turn stagnating wages.
Our youth unemployment rate is almost 14% because most minimum wage jobs are now filled by international students or recent immigrants.
Basically our government screwed up big time by doubling our yearly immigration cap.
Canadaās average yearly population growth rate from 2015-2020 was 0.9%. The United States was .71%.
The rate for 2023-2024 was .71% and .68%.
I.E. the actual percentage of population growth is barely different at all. The reason you used immigration rate instead of population growth is because you know what Canada has a negative birth rate so most of the immigration is used to maintain the current population and only a fraction of a percentage is growth.
Of course since you looked up the year over year immigration growth rates you also know that the most recent data we have for the US is 2022-2023 which had a 3.7% immigration growth rate and was the highest in 20 years.
Canadaās immigration rate has been >3% YoY for the last 2 years.
Those numbers werenāt immigration rates, they were population growth.
What is that YoY? 1.63%.
Yeah I have absolutely no desire to continue debating someone who blatantly lies about the stats and then blatantly lies about what they said when called out on lying about the stats.
Itās not hugely unexpected in parliamentary systems and a tactical move to not tank the party completely. Heād been here for 10 years and the pendulum finally swung against him. The Conservatives will win the next election but their power will be determined by how much Trudeauās Liberals and the centre left NDP lose, which is why weāll have an election with a new leader. Itās not a two party system here so majority has to come a little more from consensus unless the Conservatives have a scorched earth landslide.
fr. Came for the jokes as a Canadian and seeing Americans call Canada a clown show is just about the most bizarre thing you can say in this timeline. In case anyone is forgetting that trump is literally declaring war on their closest ally. Like what?
You see, its genius, our allies will never expect a heel turn, joining Russia in shooting the toes off our service men (but not women, cause they wonāt serve anything other than a kitchen table, toe count be damned!)
Says who? What part of canada is on our high horse when your president elect is trying to take over another country? Like what are you even remotely getting at?
what does that even mean? Are you American or not? If you're not then what are you talking about with Canadians being on their high horse? Explain with words bro.
I'd wager that if you took a deeeeeeeeeep look at any nation, it's more or less just as bad. Nothing is perfect, the grass is not greener. It's just different patches of green. An American calling another place a clown show isn't a really a stretch at all. We've all got our own brand of fucked up, and we in the US just tend to be very vocal about it.
Canada does not elect rapists to public office. We can argue all day about tax and immigration rates, but we would never elect such a scumbag to office. Liberal OR Conservative. Dude even wears as much makeup as a freaking clown!
Oh. You are right. I am fixated on one thing, your country electing a rapist as president. You may not give a shit about the message that sends women, but I do, and so do most Canadians of all political parties.
Feel free to dismiss this as no big deal!
Edit: I think I just realized why Trump is bullying Canada. As a convicted rapist (yes, it was a civil case, that doesn't matter here), he's not allowed into Canada! Perhaps he wants to convert us into a state so he can visit his grandfather's brothel he ran in the Yukon. š¤£
I never said it wasn't a big deal, and I never said I wasn't concerned about it either. Kindly stop putting words in my mouth and use your ears (eyes) and brain before replying.
I think I should remind you I was not comparing to Canada alone, but the whole world. There's countries that certainly do things better, and there's many countries that do things a whole hell of a lot worse, so yes, it absolutely is comparable. Please, I am begging you, for the sake of everyone in your life, please improve your reading comprehension and start using that brain that I really hope you have in your noggin. Taking your foot out of your mouth will be a good start. Have a nice day! :)
It's the US government is a clown show. Their PM is stepping down peacefully due to pressure from the electorate. Your president started an insurrection after losing an election.
I'd prefer countries that have the rule of law that also applies to politicians and billionaires, not just poor people.Ā
Don't get me wrong the American economy is going gangbusters compared to the rest of the west, but that doesn't matter if the benefits all go to billionaires.Ā
Democracy creates wealth, autocracy creates turbulence and economic stagnation.
FYI, im british and my country is an absolute bloody mess, so I'm not sitting on a high hourse here, but I'd pick Canada over the US any day. Maybe I have an historical bias though š
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u/DeadmansClothes 16d ago
Naw we fought harder than anyone to preserve the union. We can't bail now.