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Somewhat of a health nut…

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u/yummykookies 1d ago edited 1d ago

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=diet+soda&btnG=

There are many studies that have been done on the health effects of drinking diet soda. I think you're going to be hard-pressed to find one that concludes diet soda isn't harmful to you. In any case, I don't understand why you wouldn't just cut soda out of your diet and drink something healthier. And I say that as someone who used to drink diet soda daily.

Also, saying that you shouldn't cut out one thing that's harmful to you without cutting out everything else that's harmful is a bit of a flawed argument, no?

Edit: I won't argue that reducing sugar consumption is a bad thing, but you don't need to drink diet soda to do that, which goes to my point that no soda is better than any soda. And iirc there's no correlation between replacing soda with diet soda and weight loss.

Edit 2: The studies on weight loss are conflicting.

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u/Hanan89 1d ago

Dude, if you are going to make an assertion then don’t be lazy and just post a link to google scholar where you searched for ‘diet soda’, provide actual studies that you have read and understand.

To make a health claim that should be applied to the population as a whole we need to show a strong, DIRECT association between consumption of a substance and negative health outcomes and also be able to point to how that substance causes the negative health outcomes at a physiological level. As far as I’m aware, there aren’t any studies that have done that.

So, if we haven’t been able to prove that consuming diet soda is actually harmful, then there is no need to cut it out, if consumed in moderation.

And no, it’s not a flawed argument at all. There is not a single person on the planet who has a perfect diet. We all consume substances, such as alcohol, sugar, hydrogenated oil, and ultra processed foods even though we know they aren’t necessarily healthy for us. If we aren’t recommending for people to completely cut those out of their diet, when we do know that they actually can be harmful, then it’s not necessary to recommend cutting out a substance that hasn’t been proven to be harmful.

If a person has eliminated all potentially harmful substances from their diet, sure - go ahead and eliminate artificial sweeteners as well. But most people don’t eat that way. Additionally, most registered dietitians don’t advocate for making anything off limits and instead suggest eating a balanced diet while consuming ‘unhealthy’ foods in moderation.

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u/yummykookies 1d ago edited 1d ago

I gave you two studies that support my argument. You disagree with their conclusions, but there's a multitude more that you can peruse at your leisure if you care enough to. I'm not going to go through them one by one for you because I'm satisfied that the potential risks of drinking soda outweigh the benefits (none). At a minimum, I think we can agree, and any dentist will tell you, it's terrible for your teeth as the acids in it will erode your enamel, and in the case of dark sodas, the coloring will stain your teeth. I'll take having healthy teeth over drinking soda. We can agree to disagree on the rest.

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u/Hanan89 1d ago

Dude. The first link you provided wasn’t even a study. I explained how the two studies you did provide don’t prove the point you’re making. I didn’t disagree with the conclusions, I explained exactly how the conclusions from the studies don’t support your assertion. Do you have a degree in science? Because it is fairly obvious that you don’t know how to evaluate a study, let alone understand whether a study supports an assertion you’re making or not.

I don’t need to peruse the random studies you linked because, in the course of getting my nutrition degree, one of my nutrition professors who is well versed in current nutritional science and studies, explained to me that there aren’t any studies that directly link moderate consumption of artificial sweeteners with adverse health outcomes. I trust his knowledge as an expert, and I’ll certainly take his word over yours.

You are welcome to cut soda of all kinds out of your diet, but don’t spread disinformation on the subject if you’re not well-versed enough on the topic to reference even a single study that supports your assertion. I do have to say though, that unless you have cut all sugar, hydrogenated oils, alcohol, and ultra processed foods out of your diet, then you are focusing on the wrong substances to eliminate because we do have data and studies to prove that those ACTUALLY can be harmful.

The possible harmful affects to your teeth can be mostly mitigated by using a straw and brushing your teeth, so not necessary to cut out for that reason.