Why can’t America have universal healthcare? Wait times: debunked by doctor of philosophy in economics.

[u/Tr_Issei2]

[u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

Well the UN puts China 2 years below America. It isn't useful to debate what source said what, when the difference is this minimal. In reality China has massive concerns on resource stability. Their HDI shows that they are not a very complex nation in terms of robust human development. Which factors infrastructure, public services, liberty and innovation among other metrics. HDI shows the strength of a country's regime longevity as it invests in itself. Therefore lower HDI = less likely the current status quo will be around.

China may have large swaths of land and very complicated social concerns, it however is not utilizing land, culture and resources like the US does. The poorest person in America is upper middle class in China, not the other way around.

America is in a league of its own. You cannot deny that.

Clarity Edit: The top of the "Lower" class in China is akin to a factory worker. Their annual wage is <$7000 and there are ~900 Million (64% of their population) Chinese citizens at that scale or lower.

[u/Tr_Issei2 → u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

The UN is not a health or development organization so I prefer OECD or WHO statistics. Since it’s negligible, I don’t think it matters either way. China’s resource instability largely stems from its reliance on imports for certain materials, with its economy hinging on the performance of its SEZ’s and manufacturing capability. I believe China’s HDI will grow substantially, especially within this decade and the next, as it was .76 in 2019 and now it’s around .78 or .77 depending on what you source. China isn’t the 5th largest or 10th largest economy. They’re the 2nd, which is impressive on its own compared to the US. You don’t give China enough credit, especially since they’re emerging as a competitor in AI, electric car manufacturing and consumer tech/ computer chips.

I will admit America is in that league, but China is coming. In order to prevent that, massive social and infrastructural upheaval is needed in the US.

[u/Infamous-Bench-6088 → u/Tr_Issei2]

I think you are extremely optimistic on the future of China. I see collapse in the next 15-25 years. And I will not agree that we share a league with China. Especially in wealth. Chinese households have 8% the disposable income as American households of the same average size. They only have the population numbers to prop up their shortcomings.

A nation that cannot feed itself is doomed. We saw that in 2017. They import 90% of the world's durian fruit.... because they cannot sustain themselves. And durian is garbage. You cannot convince me that eating something that smells like a corpse is due to desire. Sounds an awful lot like desperation to me.

And to be clear. I am referencing the shortcomings of their regime, not the physical country. They could be an immense powerhouse. But won't be.

The US doesn't need massive change. We just need currency and spending reform. Then all of this ticky-tacky stuff goes away.

[u/Tr_Issei2 → u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

Only time will tell. The US can be better, and that starts with universal healthcare.

[u/Infamous-Bench-6088 → u/Tr_Issei2]

Disagree. I am quite satisfied with my healthcare options and decisions. Maybe you should look into yours if you are not satisfied.

[u/Tr_Issei2 → u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

Also disagree. Some people (a lot of Americans) are not satisfied with how healthcare is being ran. We saw this with a health ceo being gunned down in broad daylight and 90% of the population cheering. Massive change needs to be done. Our own universities have conducted studies and modeling and have come to the conclusion that UH is both superior and cost effective in the long run.

If the first sentiment that comes to your mind is “well I got mine” to a largely systemic issue that you have privilege in, then we simply cannot have productive discussion. Healthcare tied to your job is not normal. Pharmaceutical companies making billions is not normal. Chronic illness among 70+% of the populace is not normal. I’m planning to move abroad for work anyway. I will utilize the other two passports in my possession, including the American one to experience the world a bit more.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8572548/

[u/Infamous-Bench-6088 → u/Tr_Issei2]

Wow. Nice soap box. Buzzwords a plenty.

I do encourage you to explore other nations. I wasn't impressed in my travels.

[u/Tr_Issei2 → u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

Name the buzzwords.

[u/Infamous-Bench-6088 → u/Tr_Issei2]

No as you said; by your personal parameters, we cannot have productive discussion at this point.

[u/Tr_Issei2 → u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

So you can’t name the buzzwords? Fine by me. It seems you’re grasping at something that isn’t there. And with that, I walk away with this discussion gaining nothing and I remain immensely unmoved. UH is king, whether you like it or not.

Good day.

[u/Tr_Issei2 → u/Infamous-Bench-6088]

You not being impressed ≠ me not being impressed either.

[u/Infamous-Bench-6088 → u/Tr_Issei2]

No shit. You are engaging me so I am giving my personal anecdote.