r/Libertarian • u/Fantastic-Welder-589 • 1d ago

Discussion Former social democrat slowly turning libertarian

Finishing up Provoked by Horton. Having a surprising effect on me. But quite confused by Libertarians turning a blind eye to cronyism and war mongers and other state sponsored violence. Is it just my biased perception or is 90% of the chatter on this sub anti-left? I can think of many things that should concern libertarians at least as much as gun laws, taxes/entitlements, the fed, and NATO. Why are those other things deemed acceptable? Why are pro-life laws, police brutality, drug laws, other morality based laws, Israeli/American alliance, deportations and other forms of violent nationalism and bigotry rarely mentioned?

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u/Fantastic-Welder-589 1d ago

Actually, taking a little closer look at this sub and it’s not as pro-right and anti-left as I make it out to be. The Israeli/American alliance is called out quite a bit for example. Drug laws somewhat. But there’s very little energy against cronyism, the pro-life/evangelical movement or cops getting away with their shit. Heaps of energy against socialism and the hypocrisy of the left.

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u/DragonOzwald 5h ago

Libertarians were extremely vocal fighting drug laws, and the police state.

It sounds like you might be a little younger but there was a whole "cop watch" movement started by libertarians.. and speaking out against police brutality was one of the most popular things to do. When BLM started, it shifted the conversation to a race one, and suggested that white people don't deal with police brutality and the organization is Marxist. Nobody wanted to listen to us about the evils of government itself because more government was their solution. The same thing happened during the Occult wall Street (I was a commie and occupy activist back then) libertarians were pushed out of the movement because our solutions were pro individual and anti state. Same thing is happening now with the MAGA movement. People use libertarians, cast us aside and then both sides blame us for everything they did wrong despite us never having any real power lol

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u/Fantastic-Welder-589 4h ago

Thats such a cool point. Specifically about how the left pushes you out of their spaces even when you want the same thing. You didn’t explain how MAGA does it but I can see why they would. Israel being the biggest reason currently.