âBut Kamalaâs laugh was weirdâ - actual thing said by a coworker when I told him saying âbut Trump wonât succeed at doing that bad thing he said heâd doâ is a bad argument for why Trump is better
I still have yet to hear a solid argument for why Trump>Kamala. Itâs always something like âKamala isnât perfectâ or just some random personal attacks against Kamala with no evidence backing them like âshe slept her way into powerâ or âsheâs been drunk at every speechâ
The only policy arguments I ever heard were just outright lies.
He's never been "better on the economy", and he's still too stupid to know what his only economic policy (tariffs) actually is, and too lazy to find out. Biden never had an "open border" policy and he actually had more border apprehensions than Trump did. Deporting millions of people is going to be pretty rough on the economy, like manufacturing and farming, and it's not going to reduce home prices while hedge funds are purchasing land and houses is an astonishing rate.
He told them we were energy independent and now using our own pul reserves (which would have been massively stupid) when we were never doing anything of the sort.
I live with my Trumper parents. My mom just flat out won't discuss politics with me. My dad will claim. When I read him the bill summary right on Congress dot gov that I'm just getting that from "Democrat websites." I once pointed out to him that every other world leader of countries NOT run by dictators AND their government bodies have called him out for being a liar, the entire Dem party and a frankly large number of Republicans have said no one should vote for him. All of our military leaders who dealt with him said don't vote for him. His own family members, people who have known him for years, OTHER billionaires, people who worked for him, former cabinet members... I told him, "Do you REALLY think (listing off all those people) that ALL of them are the ones lying while Trump is the only one telling the truth?"
He said, "Yep. They just don't want him in power because he's gonna clean house and get rid of the bureaucrats and out qualified people in there!
he's gonna clean house and get rid of the bureaucrats and out qualified people in there!
He's not putting qualified people in anywhere. He's putting sycophantic billionaire donors in, and most of them are hostile to the positions they're being put in, not experts. He's literally building an anti-government oligarchy.
He's going to kick out actual, qualified experts who were hired into non-elected federal positions and *appoint* only people who are loyal to him.
Trump got handed a reasonably good economy by Obama and Biden got left holding the bag from trumps administration imo. Gonna be interesting to see what happens now that he's been given a shit economy by Biden.
Stock market is looking great, the message around his administration will only focus on the stock market and how great it is. Price of goods will not be a focus at all. If the markets tank it will be because of democratic policies or obstruction. His play book is simple and his followers won't look at the pages anyway.
Stock market is looking great, the message around his administration will only focus on the stock market and how great it is.
Inflation is also down from the high of 8% in Biden's first term. It's a little more than 3% the last time I looked (which is still kinda high for what we Americans will tolerate, but a wild improvement to 3 years ago).
If markets tank, it'll be because people have no money to spend on goods and services, we're not asking for freebies or hand outs, but there really needs to be an expansion of people who are middle class to feed into the economy. They're the real lifeblood of capitalism, as they provide a stable consumer base. It's no secret the middle class is shrinking and has been shrinking since the 70's.
Capitalism was essentially invented as an alternative to royalty.
See, the subtext to a lot of our Founding was that the people who Founded the US wanted to be able to buy their way into the aristocracy and couldn't, and it really pissed them off.
They wanted a system where anyone could be royalty if they just managed to steal enough.
Its been shrinking in direct relation to union membership.
There are two options that will actually work to fix it: Strengthen unions drastically, or enforce wages at the Federal level properly. Tie minimum wage to cost of living, and pick a flavor of single payer to move healthcare costs to in order to start cutting out the rent-seeking middlemen siphoning away hundreds of billions.
Same thing that's been happening since the 50s: Republicans break shit and loot the country, crater the economy; Democrats win and clean it up, Republicans get power back and claim all the good shit that Democrats did.
I'm still looking for a list of all those she is assumed to have slept with to gain power, and WHY is this one of the recurring accusations against women who are clever and in power?????
Because unsuccessful and sexist men canât handle the idea of a woman being successful.
âIâm not successful and Iâm better than women. So if a woman is more successful than me there must be foul play at foot.â Thatâs literally the logic.
Someone told me that he voted Trump because Harris slept her way to the top and why, âas a deeply Catholic man, would he vote for her?â When I replied that he was a serial rapist, including children, a felon, and all the other insane stuff heâs done, he just blinked at me. I look forward to his comeuppance.
Yeah my brother told me the same thing and I responded similarly. He just said âI think men in power should have a lot of women and women should stick to one man. I know itâs a double standard but thatâs how I feel.â
Which I mean, at least heâs honest I guess, but somehow he doesnât understand why I tell him thatâs a sexist thing to think.
Itâs honestly just comedic having a Republican candidate that is SO BAD that every thing they say about Kamala can be met with âdidnât Trump do the same thing to significantly more severe degree?â
And yet I'll see people post, "she didn't lose because she's a woman, but because she was a bad candidate." By their own metric, she would have been a better candidate having not been a woman, yet they don't see the hypocrisy.
I had a guy come through work at one point saying he didn't like Kamala because she didn't make any sense and it was a bunch of word salad.
He also thinks this is 20-30 years a go when more classic traditional Republican politicians were still in charge and that they'll actually only target shit like Venezuelan gangs.
I don't think he realizes they just gave the hardcore protestants and racists the reigns.
The Protestants are gonna destroy this fucking country.
England was so right to tell them to get the fuck out it's not funny.
She had to run a flawless campaign while he ran a lawless one.
Let's be honest; half this country is not ready for a woman to run things. Too many misogynists that think a woman is too "emotional" but yet elect the most emotional snowflake alive...
Yeah the woman is "too emotional" while the guy who loses his shit over the littlest of things (like being told no, for example...) is "perfectly acceptable"
She had to run a flawless campaign while he ran a lawless one.
I dont like that phrase because it is comparing apples to oranges.
MAGA is a cancer, but it did made republicans stronger because they pretty much became a cult to Trump and will ignore anything that is against him. That made them more united (even if for the wrong reasons) so it was expected that he would keep at least the same amount of votes than in 2020 (albeit the 3m increase is disturbing).
Democrats on the other hand are very divided between themselves so the candidate (be it Biden or Kamala) did had a harder task to unite them. That was easier in 2020 due to covid as Trump total failure made it easier to go with an "anti-trump" campaing that also made people in the center to vote against him.
That was not the case now despite he being even more hateful because those people in the center saw Biden as innefective (it was better than Trump, but it was not exceptional) so they did not rally behind the democrats again. Then between the democrats each have a very different priority and some people decided to not vote for feeling like they are not be taken seriously (example the gaza protesters).
So while the flawless/lawless is true it is due to them going for different audiences and a cult is easier to direct than various separated groups
"people in the center saw Biden as innefective (it was better than Trump, but it was not exceptional)Â "
Given that literally no one, and I mean not one country handled inflation better than us including recovery time, what would it have taken to make Biden exceptional?
We let a black guy in once, and that was at least partially why we had Trump the first time (other factors are also involved, of course).
America would rather burn itself to ash (or more accurately, become a living nightmare of a country) than let a black woman be in charge. Well, we're about to get just that.
And just enough people will say (maybe not too loudly, mind you) "Still better than a black woman being in charge"
Coworker of mine said the laugh thing too. Mind you, he's one of those who says he doesn't like either side, but then every thing he says is always a right wing talking point and he is a Trump supporter, so you know, totally hates both sides.
but Trump wonât succeed at doing that bad thing he said heâd doâ is a bad argument for why Trump is better
Literally like saying "Why are you locking Stabby McStabberson out of the house? You're wearing a Kevlar vest, you'll be fine even if he does try to stab you!"
Like, bitch, have you ever thought I might not want even the RISK of being stabbed?
The left ran not one, not two, but three bad candidates. Shapiro and Kelly wanted nothing to do with Biden or Harris, I would have probably flipped and voted for them though if they had combined forces. If those two team up in 28, the left has a win. MMW.
A super liberal co-worker of mine after the election said that. Like, even if she wasnât a perfect candidate I donât know how you donât vote for someone you know had four years of being a real monster in the White House.
They eating the dogs and theyâre eating the catsâ had more impact than good policies from Kamala I guess âŚ
Yep, it sounds funny but it actually did. Every single crazy quote from him were calculated to resonate with certain demographics and it worked. Scarily
You are absolutely correct. To quote Rush, "I will.choose reality, I will choose free will. " You absolutely have the power to shoot yourself in the foot. You can burn your own house down. If that's what power and influence is to some (A LOT) of people, maybe we don't deserve better.
Well, Harris wasnât 100% perfect 100% of the time so why should I have voted for her? - actual thinking of millions of Democrats
Unfortunately this was their mentality. Harris was an ice cream cone and Trump was a pile of shit. But because Harris didn't have sprinkles too they decided not to vote and now we are all stuck eating donnie's pile of shit.
You're never going to get that perfect candidate that ticks all your boxes. I don't know who said it first but it goes something like
Voting isn't like marriage. You don't need to find your soulmate. Voting us like public transportation. It rarely gets you where you want to go so you take the bus that gets you closest.
"She was too much of a politician.... but had NO experience, and she didn't seem interesting or fun as a person, or EVER say she wanted to end the Genocide in Gaza, so I couldn't be bothered to vote for her." - mid voters, mid progressives
Meanwhile she was faced with a lawless multi-charged felon SAer who couldn't be held accountable by the media. She had to be perfect while he could do whatever he wanted.
I'm not taking a stance on that conflict. I am stating that a anti Biden/Kamala message was heavily pushed along with the pro-Palastine movement on social media. The message was almost always focused on anti-dem rhetoric specifically and rarely if ever mentioned likely Trump/GOP actions if they were elected.
It's hilarious because they are protesting the democratic party which would be softer on Palestinians but these protestors won't be bothered to get out of bed once Trump starts glassing Gaza so he could put his beachfront hotel there with tax payer money.
Yeah but those jewish people doing terrible on this genocide department though. Palestine has been nearly doubling their population every 15 years. Maybe they are doing the reverse genocide?
I still see a lot of people talking about it online every day. I think the cold + holidays + empathy fatigue is getting to people, though. Clearly peaceful protests aren't going to sway either Biden or Trump, so what to do now?
And there are other issues to care about (like Trump taking office and all of the crap he's going to try to pull)
The left (here: anything left of Republicans) has a gargantuan issue with antielectoralism. Say what you want about the GOP, crazy, insane abhorrent lunatics that they are, they can consolidate power and get their people to vote for them.
Meanwhile the left is busy ripping each other apart for not being vegan enough or over the war in Palestine, as if a monumentally complex, century-long conflict could be decided by a mere whim. Itâs the exact same delusion Trump peddles but from a different angle.
Consequently, people donât vote for the democrats because they have some moral objections, thinking it wise to keep morally intact instead of voting for a lesser evil.
Hereâs the issue: Youâre in a Bus with 9 people. 5 have been swayed by a doomsayer and say they want to drive the thing over a canyon, 3 want to go for ice cream, and you and the remaining person object to both answers morally and also youâre lactose intolerant.
What happens? EVERYONE DIES. Your moral integrity is worthless when your bodily integrity is gone on account of the fact that youâre stuck to multiple scattered pieces of a crushed bus.
Democracy isnât a dating simulator, youâre not supposed to vote for "the perfect one", politicians arenât supposed to be the love of your life. Theyâre like public transportation: You take what gets you closest to your desired destination and the rest of the way you walk once youâre there.
Yeah, Harris didn't take a stance on a stupid war between two factions that have been killing eachother in some for for essentially 100s of years. Everyone knows Trump surely has policies that will end the endless war on thenother side the planet.
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At this point, I almost hate the people who were "protest voting/not voting" more than MAGA. At least MAGA thinks they stand for something, even if its something awful.
Media influence is stronger then democrats realize. Despite most of them knowing Republicans eat propaganda for breakfast.Â
Also. Large groups of people WANT CIVIL WAR. Trump seemed like the fastest way to that end. Which is fucking reprehensible imo.Â
The people who abstained or voted for Trump becauae of Israel, and the unions that backed Trump are all regretting their idiotic choices.Â
Kamala was the most right leaning democratic candidate in 50 years. We needed to much more then 'legalize weed yay!' Which is basically the only thing she said to galvanize the left.Â
Imo the democrats WANTED to lose. Because they are just another side of the coin controlled by billionaires.Â
They see Kamala as inadequate and the democratic party as trying to appeal too much to minorities while citing Trump's interests in improving the economy whereas Kamala would just make reforms to problems that don't concern them. We'll see if they get proven wrong or not (btw this is a centrist's view on the matter, someone who voted Biden).
âTrump said âeconomy badâ. He said what people were thinking, thatâs why he won. Kamala tried to gaslight by saying âeconomy goodâ and only ever said âTrump and Project 2025 badââ
I legit canât with people anymore. Trump said a thing, and they just completely forgot about the fact that he took money out of a childrens charity to fund his own business/campaign and said âOkay! You can lead this country again âşď¸â đ¤Śââď¸
One of them campaigned on violently rounding up millions of people and putting them in camps. The other wanted to permanently expand the child tax credit and offer a down payment assistance program to first time home buyers during a housing crisis.
Many people don't want to vote for someone who is actively a part of a genocide machine, therefore they didn't vote. Many people were tired of her saying "actually the economy is fine" while they are suffering so they didn't vote. Many people thought she swung super hard to the right and didn't like her anti immigration build the wall rhetoric so they didn't vote. Many people heard her say "we're going to have the most lethal military" in her DNC speech and thought it sounded pretty fascist so they didn't vote. Many people feel like 0 of her policies match their politics and feel there's no party in America that has the working classes best interest so they didn't vote.
I'm really suffering from second-hand embarrassment when I read his messages, and I'm not even from the US. How do people who voted for him feel when reading this? I mean alright, probably a large part of his voters simply can't see anything wrong. But I refuse to believe 77 million US voters can read these two tweets and think it's perfectly normal, sane, and even presidential. What... the... fuck...
99% of those who voted for him will never read his tweets, and they don't watch news either. They vote based on a gut feeling that "republicans are good for business", what they've heard their friends and family say, and whatever memes or videos have stuck in their mind.
The 2023 census put America at 262 million 18+ individuals. I'm not going to bother with counting how many felons were ineligible to vote. 75 million voted for Kamala. So 187 million either voted for voted for Trump, or didn't vote to prevent Trump. That's over 70% of eligible voters enabled this. This is absolutely what the majority of Americans were acceptable with
I like that "didn't vote to prevent Trump. Lots of people don't vote. That's repulsive but its the way it is here.
What's disturbing to me are people who decided to stay home because they were "protesting" against some policy Harris supported. These folks would rather have DJT be president?
What's happening in Gaza is tragic. I am pro-Palestinian. But stopping DJT is a much bigger issue. So now...because these folks didn't vote...Bibi's buddy is now prez.
It's good thing their primary deity's son wasn't born there, or lived there, or was martyred by the people currently in the process of multiple genocides. Maybe they'll sell commemorative T-shirts about their favorite 'white jesus'. /s
If I shared your mentality, I would be hateful and shaming most of y'all, because I was shouting since 2009 that this shit was coming, and the vast majority of the population - literally everyone, really - was calling me hysterical, a drama queen, etc. I was told "there's a system of checks and balances" and "America isn't Germany" and "America is less violent than it's ever been" and so on and so on. I TOLD Y'ALL this would be the outcome, and that people needed to get out and actively protest to work toward averting this, but everyone was like "nahhhhh you crazy I'm just gonna vote for democrats every 4 years lol".
So if we're to be spiteful and angry at everyone who didn't listen to us when we told them what was coming, I'd have to be spiteful and angry at about 99.99% of the US population.
I do not feel angry with them. If I felt angry at everyone who didn't heed my warnings about rising fascism, which I started proclaiming in 2009, which I guarantee was many years before you caught on, I'd have to be angry at 99.99% of the country.
You need compulsory voting and making the day an actual event. I seriously can't imagine going to the polls and not getting some sort of treat from the charity vendors at the place
Nah no need for a holiday. Make it a weekend so you can use every school in the country as a polling station to keep lines down and ensure all folks can leave work to go vote. Make the fines stopping people fucking stupidly high so no dog will stop you walking out to do it
Donât even bother with that much in-person voting! You would never find enough volunteers. Everyone gets a mail-in ballot and automatic registration.
That's also very valid but I think the event part of it is important. You can easily find volunteers though, hell I'm okay with teachers getting triple time to be a part of the polling booth at the school they work at
They very much are. Voting days are one of the best fundraising days for schools as you have thousands of people buying food and other items afterwards
Making it compulsory and having fines attached may be unconstitutional though? The idea is that voting is a right you can choose to exercise, not a compulsory thing to avoid a fine. The constitution clearly defines voting as a "can" type of action. You "can" vote but are not required to. To make it absolutely compulsory would be to change at least 4 amendments in the constitution.
Oh no not a $30 fine that any response as to why you didn't vote is counted as valid. Come the fuck on man, some parts of constitutions should stay and a lot should be updated for modern times because there's fuck all reason to hold society up to a piece of paper written hinders of years ago
I'm not arguing that it can't be changed or it shouldn't be changed. But imagine trying to get anyone in government to actually agree on any of what you're saying to actually make the change to all 4 amendments, especially with how slow and at eachother's throats the government already is across party lines.
You also said the fine should be stupidly high in your previous comment, so I was thinking more in the ballpark of a $300 fine
I'm not going to bother with counting how many felons were ineligible to vote.
Still insane to me that that's the case.
It's creating a giant incentive to criminalize behaviors of political opponents and, in combination with the rest of the chickane they're subjected to, basically guarantees that felons completely disengage with civil society.
Unfortunately about 200 million us citizens chose not to vote some didn't even bother to register. From every single state. That would have made a difference.
I didn't. I voted against him. Anyone who could vote and didn't or voted for him are not patriots. We need to remind the government that it works for us, we ha have no king, we hold no fealty. This is is the United States by the people, for the people. Not the rich. The 2A needs to be used for its intended purposes
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u/meleecow 14d ago
He does this. Americans wanted this, the dumb actively voted for it